Do we support Insulate Britain?

[Edie]

Yep. That's why the disruption needs to escalate to the point it hits profit.

That won’t work either.

 

[chilango]

...as we used say back in the EF! days "make the costs caused by the protests greater than the profits they would've made".

 

[Serene]

yeh but what evidence do you have - what is there to support - your view?

I dont need to go existential. My view is subjective and it is my choice.

 

[chilango]

That won’t work either.

History suggests it does.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Yep. That's why the disruption needs to escalate to the point it hits profit.

Yeah and you can't just erupt into that large scale disruption, it has to start somewhere.

 

[Serene]

Who is saying that? Shills for the fossil fuels industry?

Mostly, yes. Most Scientist seem to be of the opinion it is caused by us. Yes those that disagree seem to mostly be shills for oil comapny types.

 

[discokermit]

You could make the same argument against train strikes. Or any protest or campaign that causes any kind of disruption. The disruption is the whole point though.

what about bombs? should they use bombs? that would cause some disruption.
A strike is a collective class action. this is more akin to individual terrorism.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

That won’t work either.

What's your plan?

Bonus Q: Should we remove votes for women because of the disruption caused by the suffragettes?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

what about bombs? should they use bombs? that would cause some disruption.

I think we have some way to go before the campaign for warm homes reaches its military phase, personally.

 

[chilango]

Yeah and you can't just erupt into that large scale disruption, it has to start somewhere.

Yep.

If the "cost to business" caused by these protests starts to approach the cost putting in all that insulation I think we'd see them win pretty quickly afterwards.

 

[gosub]

What's your plan?

Bonus Q: Should we remove votes for women because of the disruption caused by the suffragettes?

pockets, it started with pockets.

 

[maomao]

Disruption only causes resentment and has little or no impact. Economics has impact. Money. Wealth. Capitalism

Stopping people getting to work has an economic impact

 

[discokermit]

I think we have some way to go before the campaign for warm homes reaches its military phase, personally.

the same path. individual actions instead of class based collective action.

 

[platinumsage]

What's your plan?

Bonus Q: Should we remove votes for women because of the disruption caused by the suffragettes?

Did the suffragettes protests hasten or delay parliament extending votes to women?

 

[NoXion]

Mostly, yes. Most Scientist seem to be of the opinion it is caused by us. Yes those that disagree seem to mostly be shills for oil comapny types.

The consensus from the experts is overwhelming. Anthropogenic climate change is as nailed-on a certainty as you can get in science.

 

[maomao]

class based collective action.

Do one of them then.

 

[Edie]

History suggests it does.

Could you give an example?

 

[chilango]

the same path. individual actions instead of class based collective action.

Yes.

A global general strike would bring about change pretty quickly.

In the meantime?

 

[killer b]

Disruption only causes resentment and has little or no impact. Economics has impact. Money. Wealth. Capitalism.

Are you sure about this? Climate change is a significant political hot potato atm, one that they're at least making efforts to appear to take seriously. Would that be the case without the various campaigns that have sprung up over the last few years, especially the ones that have caused disruption? I wouldn't have thought so. Just because an action doesn't have an immediate measurable impact doesn't mean it doesn't have an impact...

 

[Serene]

The consensus from the experts is overwhelming. Anthropogenic climate change is as nailed-on a certainty as you can get in science.

Yes it is and I agree with it being the reason. However some Scientists, from what I remember, as I might have been putting my rollers in, still say it might be because of the Earths periodical changes. I like to be as objective as I can be, and not base things on my own opinion.

 

[maomao]

Did the suffragettes protests hasten or delay parliament extending votes to women?

Is this the 'sugragettes alienated the public and liberal capitalism would have given them the vote quicker if left alone' argument? I've only ever heard obvious twats and Tories come out with this one (which is obviously unchanged by your using it). Do you have proof of any kind?

 

[chilango]

Could you give an example?

The government's road building programme of the 1990s.

An opencast quarry near Caerfilli.

The closure of the FE campus I studied at.

Bilingual road signs in Wales...

 

[discokermit]

Do one of them then.

i will when the opportunity arrives, or we collectively create that opportunity.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

the same path. individual actions instead of class based collective action.

This is indeed a problem with Insulate Britain.

Class based collective action would also cause disruption though. Look at how het up people get during tube strikes.

 

[NoXion]

Yes it is and I agree with it being the reason. However some Scientists, from what I remember, as I might have been putting my rollers in, still say it might be because of the Earths periodical changes. I like to be as objective as I can be, and not base things on my own opinion.

Scientific consensus isn't a matter of opinion. The germ theory of disease is scientific consensus, and it is not merely an opinion.

 

[Pickman's model]

I like to be as objective as I can be, and not base things on my own opinion.

 

[MickiQ]

Yep.

If the "cost to business" caused by these protests starts to approach the cost putting in all that insulation I think we'd see them win pretty quickly afterwards.

The cost of meeting their demands has been projected at £18 Billion, a few dozen nuts with near zero public support is going to have to up its game to cause that much disruption.

 

[platinumsage]

Is this the 'sugragettes alienated the public and liberal capitalism would have given them the vote quicker if left alone' argument? I've only ever heard obvious twats and Tories come out with this one (which is obviously unchanged by your using it). Do you have proof of any kind?

Most historians. Do your own reading.

 

[Pickman's model]

This is indeed a problem with Insulate Britain.

Class based collective action would also cause disruption though. Look at how het up people get during tube strikes.

look how het up people are got up during tube strikes, when only one side of the story appears in the media

 

[Pickman's model]

Most historians. Do your own reading.

most historians have never studied or written about the period let alone the cause of votes for women