Do we support Insulate Britain?

[Serene]

Will no-one think of the middle class dads in their huge SUVs?

Very good point Sue. I appologise as I said Mums as I was thinking about that Lady who they showed on the news who was shouting and dragging a protester ( plural noun is protestors apparently ) along the road to the curb.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

On the other hand there is a satisfaction in them winding up gobby, middle class Mums, in huge SUV`s.

You don't really care about them blocking ambulances then?

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Yeah and let's not forget the completely ridiculous tube thing .

Extinction Rebellion protesters dragged from Tube train roof

Extinction Rebellion says it will "take stock" of the reaction to the action for future protests.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yes - that was just mad IMO.
I totally understand that maximum disruption is the aim of actions like this but it's just alienating people who they really should be getting onside.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Grrr the poll is private, how am I supposed to keep my files up to date, if I don't know who's voted for the wrong option?

 

[maomao]

Grrr the poll is private, how am I supposed to keep my files up to date, if I don't know who's voted for the wrong option?

I know who the only yes vote so far is and will tell you for five pounds.

 

[Sue]

Yes - that was just mad IMO.
I totally understand that maximum disruption is the aim of actions like this but it's just alienating people who they really should be getting onside.

Especially given the people affected by that were bloody using public transport.

 

[Serene]

You don't really care about them blocking ambulances then?

No I do not support them stopping Ambulances at all, as I posted in the OP, of course I dont.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

...On the other hand there is a satisfaction in them winding up gobby, middle class Mums, in huge SUV`s.

I actually find that quite offensive. All kinds of people are on the M25 every day, including women in SUVs who still need to get somewhere whatever your views on their lifestyle.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Especially given the people affected by that were bloody using public transport.

Well quite.
And me trying to get home from work. On a bus. Which normally came over that bridge.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I know who the only yes vote so far is and will tell you for five pounds.

You are already on the list.

 

[Serene]

Grrr the poll is private, how am I supposed to keep my files up to date, if I don't know who's voted for the wrong option?

Its the first time Ive done a Poll. I am not sure about how to change that and also am thinking it is correct to keep it private with just the results on show

 

[MickiQ]

That's not something I should have to explain.

You need to explain it to me, I can't imagine how occupying commercial buildings will pressure the Govt to do anything except possibly make it a criminal offence

 

[Pickman's model]

Do we support Insulate Britain in here or not? They are doing it for a very good reason, and the Government isnt doing anything to tackle climate change. But, they are also stopping Ambulances. My mind goes from supporting them to not and back to supporting them and then not like clockwork. I mean the M25 is always at a standstill anyway. On the other hand there is a satisfaction in them winding up gobby, middle class Mums, in huge SUV`s.

this should be a public poll

 

[AmateurAgitator]

I think most people are probably already aware of the threat posed by climate change anyway.

 

[platinumsage]

That's because Urban is now full of middle aged people who drive everywhere and think their jobs are more important than anything else. You're completely right that the disruption is identical. I suspect support for RTS would be much lower amongst current urbanites than it was twenty years ago.

RTS's protest tactics of reclaiming the streets aligned perfectly with their demand of reclaiming the streets. They wanted to block ambulances and SUV mums because they wanted to turn roads into pedestrian zones and acknowledged the consequences of that. People might not have agreed with their aims but nobody could claim that their protest method was counterproductive, because it was a direct temporary achievement of their demands.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Its the first time Ive done a Poll. I am not sure about how to change that and also am thinking it is correct to keep it private with just the results on show

You can't change it to public, once people have voted.

 

[Serene]

this should be a public poll

Is a Public Poll the common way of doing Polls in here? Or are they usually kept Private? I personally prefer Private because otherwise people might be swayed into voting with the Sheep to avoid persecution.

 

[MickiQ]

I know who the only yes vote so far is and will tell you for five pounds.

You were the number one suspect from the start

 

[Serene]

You can't change it to public, once people have voted.

OK thank you Cupid, I didnt know. That gets me out of it then

 

[Pickman's model]

Is a Public Poll the common way of doing Polls in here? Or are they usually kept Private? I personally prefer Private because otherwise people might be swayed into voting with the Sheep to avoid persecution.

have you any actual evidence to support than opinion?

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Poll responses are not nuanced enough so I can't vote.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Is a Public Poll the common way of doing Polls in here? Or are they usually kept Private? I personally prefer Private because otherwise people might be swayed into voting with the Sheep to avoid persecution.

Voting with "the Sheep"??
Who are you? David Icke or something.

 

[Pickman's model]

Voting with "the Sheep"??
Who are you? David Icke or something.

maybe a kipper
i wouldn't be in the least surprised

 

[Serene]

have you any actual evidence to support than opinion?

Evidence? I personally can imagine a scenario whereby people who would vote one way, change their mind to vote the other way because they fear being victimised for it. The reason I favour Private is because it keeps a poll more honest.

 

[discokermit]

Do we support Insulate Britain in here or not? They are doing it for a very good reason, and the Government isnt doing anything to tackle climate change. But, they are also stopping Ambulances. My mind goes from supporting them to not and back to supporting them and then not like clockwork. I mean the M25 is always at a standstill anyway. On the other hand there is a satisfaction in them winding up gobby, middle class Mums, in huge SUV`s.

if this is the one you are talking about, theres a bloke there as well and they are both driving small hatchbacks, not suv's.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

You need to explain it to me, I can't imagine how occupying commercial buildings will pressure the Govt to do anything except possibly make it a criminal offence

Try giving it some thought. If you are incapable of seeing how occupying corportate headquarters and empty commercial buildings, and empty buildings in general, can not be effective then I don't see the point in attempting to explain it to you. I guess this is the problem, a lack of imagination and creativity - which is certainly the case with these Insulate Britain protests.

In general we need a movement that expropriates and requisitions from the the rich - seizing buildings is part of that. Taking back space and putting it to use, for us.

Taking back control.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Very good point Sue. I appologise as I said Mums as I was thinking about that Lady who they showed on the news who was shouting and dragging a protester ( plural noun is protestors apparently ) along the road to the curb.

"Lady"

 

[Smokeandsteam]

That's because Urban is now full of middle aged people who drive everywhere and think their jobs are more important than anything else. You're completely right that the disruption is identical. I suspect support for RTS would be much lower amongst current urbanites than it was twenty years ago.

I hate cars and car drivers: they make where I live much much much worse than it needs to be. They also cause sky high levels of pollution. Some car drivers shouldn't be in charge of anything outside of a padded cell. I also fully support the aims of IB. Yet, everything I see, read and hear about them indicates that Brogdale is essentially correct: they are alienating those who we need to win to our side.

But you make a very good point about RTS though, more of us would have supported it, and did support it, when we were younger. I suspect we didn't concern ourselves much with how it played out in the wider constituency either.

 

[Serene]

if this is the one you are talking about, theres a bloke there as well and they are both driving small hatchbacks, not suv's.

Good point. I have to be honest I cant take things very seriously sometimes and the Lady dragging a protester away was amusing. It was the one that stuck in my mind.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Blocking off that private airport was rad, was that them?