Do we support Insulate Britain?
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8ball
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You’d think the bloody oiks would at least have the decency to be poor, wouldn’t you?
Awful, awful people.
Bet their tellies are absolutely humongous…
Storm Fox
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I cannot see how IB can achieve their goals with the method of protest they are using. They need to find a method that will engage more people and then this will put pressure on the government. At the moment they are either being ignored by most people or turning people off of a cause most people agree with, but with all that is going on people need to be encouraged to make it a priority.
If IB were protesting against something then the tactics being used would have an effect. A small group of can shutdown a company by blocking access to their building or blocking new roads.
But protesting for something needs different tactics; I don't know what,but they need to encourage people.
If IB were protesting against something then the tactics being used would have an effect. A small group of can shutdown a company by blocking access to their building or blocking new roads.
But protesting for something needs different tactics; I don't know what,but they need to encourage people.
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SpookyFrank
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One minute I hate people for being working class the next I hate them for being rich. And no, you can't be both.
What I actually hate is people who phyiscally attack others because they've been mildly inconvenienced. And yes the entitled, usually male, tone of voice that goes with it sounds jarring to my ears. That's not so much an aesthetic response as an emotional one.
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Mildly inconvenienced is missing a bus, waiting for someone to get ready for five minutes, a 20 min delay because the train driver is changing over, road works adding a traffic jam to your route. Not being locked into the M25 for hours on end.
It’s this utter moral superiority that makes people hate the fucking left. Your attitude is literally ‘everyone else is so stupid they need to have their awareness raised by people like me, and if they get mad they just don’t realise it’s for their own good’. Just fuck off ya cunts
SpookyFrank
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Left and right don't enter into it. If you use violence to avenge non-violent acts, you're a danger to society.
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Not sure ib or xr actually espouse socialismMildly inconvenienced is missing a bus, waiting for someone to get ready for five minutes, a 20 min delay because the train driver is changing over, road works adding a traffic jam to your route. Not being locked into the M25 for hours on end.
It’s this utter moral superiority that makes people hate the fucking left. Your attitude is literally ‘everyone else is so stupid they need to have their awareness raised by people like me, and if they get mad they just don’t realise it’s for their own good’. Just fuck off ya cunts
Anyway all of this is a very mild inconvenience in comparison to 2⁰ of global warming
platinumsage
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You’d tolerate the piss-pourer and shake your fist at the clouds no doubt.
SpookyFrank
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I don't even like IB's tactics. I think getting yourself sent to prison on purpose is a very silly thing to do and shows a pretty poor understanding of what prison is actually like. But their victims? Meh. One way or another this toxic culture of private vehicles will end, if only because Audis don't start underwater. If a few people need some practice coming to terms with that concept without embarassing their species, no bad thing.
SpookyFrank
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No but congealing everything you don't like under the heading of 'the left' is a convenient substitute for having anything at all with which to defend the actions of the right.
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Haven't the biggest deniers of climate change been on the right?
8ball
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A few XR peeps I know seem to be moving well away from the world of “market-based solutions”.
On the whole, the movement pretends to be apolitical.
Peter Painter
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I support Insulate Britain's cause. How could any reasonable person not support it?
But their tactics are naive and counter-productive. Their actions aren't gaining them any new supporters. Worse than that, they're alienating potential supporters by disrupting the lives of random members of the public.
Their objective seems to be some nebulous notion of putting pressure on the government. But instead of achieving their aim they've simply played into their target's hands.
I'd like to believe that the majority of people in this country wouldn't want to see non-violent protesters sent to prison. But I've got a horrible feeling that too many people will either be pleased to hear that the IB protesters have been jailed, or at least will find it amusing.
None of it is amusing, least of all the bigger picture.
i've just seen this, not sure if it's been mentioned already or not:
www.independent.co.uk
But their tactics are naive and counter-productive. Their actions aren't gaining them any new supporters. Worse than that, they're alienating potential supporters by disrupting the lives of random members of the public.
Their objective seems to be some nebulous notion of putting pressure on the government. But instead of achieving their aim they've simply played into their target's hands.
I'd like to believe that the majority of people in this country wouldn't want to see non-violent protesters sent to prison. But I've got a horrible feeling that too many people will either be pleased to hear that the IB protesters have been jailed, or at least will find it amusing.
None of it is amusing, least of all the bigger picture.
i've just seen this, not sure if it's been mentioned already or not:
Insulate Britain activist starts hunger strike in jail
‘Our demand will save lives - I must take the fight wherever I go,’ says scientist
www.independent.co.uk
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Even if one doesn’t give a shit about the plight of any drivers caught up by their protests, I can’t imagine many people agreeing with them blocking emergency vehicles, or a crying woman following her dying mother in the ambulance in front begging them to let her through. All in front of TV crews filming the incident for good measure, which shows a remarkable level of naivety.
And then telling those people, or the media in subsequent interviews ‘you’ll probably thank us for this in a few years anyway’, or that they see nothing wrong with delaying emergency vehicles and they’ll gladly do it again at the next protest, is next level stupid and pretty much guarantees you’re going to lose the public no matter how worthy your cause might be. Which is exactly what has happened here.
And then telling those people, or the media in subsequent interviews ‘you’ll probably thank us for this in a few years anyway’, or that they see nothing wrong with delaying emergency vehicles and they’ll gladly do it again at the next protest, is next level stupid and pretty much guarantees you’re going to lose the public no matter how worthy your cause might be. Which is exactly what has happened here.
It’s just… weird isn’t it. I mean how’d you get to the point where you think it’s a good idea
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That's a curious post. It is a political campaign in that it desires an alteration in government policy. So it clearly isn't apolitical.
l'Otters
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If what people are generally saying is the contempt of court concept is a load of shite why would they bother commenting on that detail? If you view the entire justice system as totally fucked there’s nothing to say. Stopped clock is right twice a day.
Being pleased that Yaxley Lennon came unstuck does not equal agreeing with the particulars of the laws which got him.
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8ball
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It’s really not curious at all. 38 degrees also used to pretend to be apolotical. It’s nonsense, but it’s not uncommon.
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Yes, nonsense is the word I sought because you've not said anything to change mu mind and view xr or ib as socialist
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LDC
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I'd have expected you to have a better political analysis than having a go at people's accents SpookyFrank, not to mention your spurious rich/working class confusion and lack of clarity.
platinumsage
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Are citizen's assemblies socialist? Because that's what XR seem to be about. Replacing some functions of an elected parliament with a body of randoms fed curated evidence from experts and cajoled by professional facilitators seems like some sort dystopian veiled technocracy to me.
LDC
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Something written here about IB Devastate to insulate?
LDC
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I've had this argument/discussion with a bunch of XR people who consider politics to solely mean parliamentary party politics. No idea where they got that from, maybe some training they do or book they all read, but was surprised it was so commonplace.
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8ball
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Exactly the same as what 38 degrees used to say. I expect there’s a PR person in there somewhere.
8ball
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Yeah, they’re not keen on this reading of things.
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Yeh well obvs if they're trying to change government policy then on those terms they are a political organisation
8ball
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LDC
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I missed the 'party' bit in my earlier post have edited now, sorry, yeah it is obvious, but to lots of them politics=parliamentary party politics.
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