Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

[ddraig]

Scumbags protesting outside Mark Drakeford's (first minister of Wales) house today

 

[DaveCinzano]

TBF that's every month when you open up the payslip

Amirite ladeez an gennulmun?!

 

[xenon]

It’s not so much that for me. It’s more how the fuck can they idolise such a clown? Some people you can see where their charisma comes from, but Trump? How can you be taken in by such an obvious doofus?

I have an theory. He is the man who gets away with it, with everything, with being stupid, with assaulting women, openly lying, not paying workers not paying tax etc. He lives without consequences for all the basest most selfish desires gets to be President and have a gold toilet for it, and that’s the appeal. They don’t actually admire him the man they just long to escape consequences and obligation.

Also that he gets up the nose of sensible liberals, woke lefties, people that want to tell you you're wrong, uncouth bigoted, something to be patronised. Trump as the brick through the window.

 

[xenon]

These cunts should actually fear to go out. The ones going into hospitals, distressing patients, hassling staff, evoking Nuremburg and so on. Honestly, docced, intimidated and locked down at home. Fucking filth.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

All the nutters in one handy tweet-thread, where the whole paranoid debacle assumes the look of a particularly gruesome telethon. Death Aid, perhaps.

found this article at the end of the read explaining where the thing originated from.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I'm fascinated by the psychology of why people get into this - it all seems to me to have something to do with somehow wanting to be A Hero. You're fed this narrative that says You Are The Special Smart Ones.

I think part of the reason the most unhinged ideas seem to get the most traction is that these are the ones most likely to provoke a reaction from anyone functionally sane. The more people who are against you, the more special you become. The complete lack of internal consistency in these theories is a feature, not a bug.

 

[elbows]

Another wasted life.

LA man who mocked Covid-19 vaccines dies of virus

Stephen Harmon, who opposed getting vaccinated, has died after a month-long struggle with the virus.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[ska invita]

Grim round up

 

[spring-peeper]

#antivaxxers is trending on twitter.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23antivaxxers&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

Further down I saw this tweet



I've seen similar tweets/posts along this line.

 

[LDC]

Well, they seem nice.

I watched that just as I was going to bed last night and it took me ages to get to sleep as I was so furious and upset. How fucking dare they.

 

[Chilli.s]

How fucking dare they

They dare because they are as thick as shit and haven't the commitment, brains or humanity to do what you do. take no notice.

 

[Johnny Doe]

Those people went for this advertised line up plus Katie Hopkins. It's not a surprise they are cunts

 

[LDC]

They dare because they are as thick as shit and haven't the commitment, brains or humanity to do what you do. take no notice.

Cheers, yeah less personal, more just how the fuck did we end up in a place where someone can give a speech about putting NHS workers on trial like the Nazis and hanging us and get cheered by thousands of people? Just like what the actual fuck is going on?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Those people went for this advertised line up plus Katie Hopkins. It's not a surprise they are cunts

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*not a doctor

 

[High Voltage]

Those people went for this advertised line up plus Katie Hopkins. It's not a surprise they are cunts

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Is the Mark Steele listed here the comedian, does anyone know

 

[Cloo]

I am reading a novel right now, 'The Dress Lodger', which is excellent (but no longer in print) and I thought I didn't think about this when I picked it up is set in 19th C Sunderland under cholera quarantine before the disease had really hit. It was written 20 years ago but there's a strong plot strand about how a lot of people don't believe in cholera; it's obviously a plot to keep the people down what with recent protests and riots about voting reform; there are popular plays lampooning cholera as 'humbug' and the medical profession as 'butchers' because why do so many people in hospital die (and also Burke & Hare had occurred recently)? etc etc

High Voltage - it's a different Mark Steele, I'm pretty sure

 

[cupid_stunt]

Is the Mark Steele listed here the comedian, does anyone know

No, it's not, it's a loony 5G nutcase.

Steele has promoted conspiracy theories and misinformation linking the launch of 5G Networks in Wuhan, China to the COVID-19 pandemic. Steele describes 5G as "genocide" carried by "the deep state"

Mark Steele (conspiracy theorist) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[danny la rouge]

Is the Mark Steele listed here the comedian, does anyone know

No. Different guy.

 

[existentialist]

No. Different guy.

I bet Mark Steel (comedian) is dead pleased about that...

 

[cupid_stunt]

Anyway, the Met is investigating Kate Shemirani, hopefully they can find something to charge her with.

A video has been circulating on social media showing a speaker at the event, understood to be former nurse Kate Shemirani, making threats to NHS doctors and nurses.

She was permanently struck off last month after claiming 5G causes Covid-19 symptoms and spreading vaccine misinformation. The Met Police has said it is investigating the video.

Mayor of London Mr Khan tweeted to say he has raised it with the force directly.

He said: "This is utterly appalling, and I have raised it directly with the Met Police. Our NHS staff are the heroes of this pandemic and Londoners from across this city roundly reject this hate."

Palliative care doctor Rachel Clarke wrote: "Conspiracy theorist, anti-vaxxer and struck-off nurse Kate Shemirani is here literally threatening NHS doctors with the noose.

"I believe she is inciting hatred and would be grateful @metpoliceuk if you could please investigate."

Kate Jarman, Director of Corporate Affairs at Milton Keynes University Hospital, said: "This isn’t isolated to this event. We’ve had letters accusing us of genocide, I’ve had similar over social media, I expect every doctor, nurse and NHS employee who has any kind of social media/ public profile has. It’s abhorrent. Stand strong team NHS."

"I'm pro free speech and cherish the values of tolerance, but this is simply vile hate speech," another person tweeted.

Fury at 'vile' speech made at anti-vax rally as doctors and nurses threatened

Sadiq Khan and NHS workers have condemned a "vile" speech in which doctors and nurses were threatened during a rally protesting coronavirus vaccinations.

www.lbc.co.uk

 

[xenon]

And the other one who played Joe mangle in neighbours. I think that was his name.
e2a, no that was Mark Little.

 

[bimble]

Cheers, yeah less personal, more just how the fuck did we end up in a place where someone can give a speech about putting NHS workers on trial like the Nazis and hanging us and get cheered by thousands of people? Just like what the actual fuck is going on?

The bbc has this video today, of that woman's son choosing to speak out about her.
Says she was showing him youtube videos about the Rothschilds when he was ten, doesn't think they will ever be able to re-establish a relationship because she is too far gone, pleads with people to intervene at the earliest signs not leave it until it s too late.

How my mum fell for conspiracy theories

Sebastian’s mum has grown a big online following by spreading dangerous Covid conspiracy theories.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[LDC]

Really feels quite IS/daesh-like some of this...

Some calculating and ideologically committed people drag others along with them; some with some fair grievances, some who are vulnerable, and some who are just lost and bored in the world. Give them a story where they have some power and agency, and which makes sense of a chaotic and scary world. Then polarise people and claim martyr status when they close down your speeches and events and target your main people, forcing people to take sides and further strengthening your side and position as outcasts and rebels.

The pandemic has acted like some kind of glue that's enabled people to come together with their various issues, and stick together and find common ground and strength in numbers.

Drone strikes on the leadership and de-radicalization programs for the rest might also be the answer.

 

[tony.c]

I bet Mark Steel (comedian) is dead pleased about that...

 

[cupid_stunt]

The delusion is strong with this one!

 

[gentlegreen]

I'm amazed I didn't already know that Mark Steele - 5G loon - served time for shooting a young woman in the head.

 

[souljacker]

I'm amazed I didn't already know that Mark Steele - 5G loon - served time for shooting a young woman in the head.

He's been around for a while. He claims street lights in Gateshead are designed to control us with 5g. Another one who has taken advantage of the pandemic to raise his profile.

 

[danny la rouge]

And the other one who played Joe mangle in neighbours. I think that was his name.

Mark Little.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Is the Mark Steele listed here the comedian, does anyone know

Come on DO UR RESURCH

 

[prunus]

Further down I saw this tweet



I've seen similar tweets/posts along this line.

They don’t sound nearly as coherent as that to me. That parody has a single consistent argument, and contains only actual real nuggets of information, albeit missing some key (and obvious) knowledge and hence wrongly is interpreted leading to a mistaken conclusions. This line of reasoning could be engaged with - it’s not insane, it’s just very wrong. The antivaxxers - not so much.