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Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

Well, they seem nice.


The Trump flag visible in the thumbnail made me think that must be US dickheads at first, but no, just someone waving around a Trump flag in Britain. I'm intrigued by that quote attributed to "FTC aged 15" though, without wanting to be ageist or anything do they just get all their opinions by asking random 15-year-olds?
 
The Trump flag visible in the thumbnail made me think that must be US dickheads at first, but no, just someone waving around a Trump flag in Britain. I'm intrigued by that quote attributed to "FTC aged 15" though, without wanting to be ageist or anything do they just get all their opinions by asking random 15-year-olds?
I’ve been puzzling over the flag in front of the Trump flag, too. I probably don’t want to know, but it isn’t familiar to me.

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There are absolutely Trump supporters in the UK, though they have definitely been limited to the loon fringe of the far right. We even had "Trump Boy" for a while.
 
I'm fascinated by the psychology of why people get into this - it all seems to me to have something to do with somehow wanting to be A Hero. You're fed this narrative that says You Are The Special Smart Ones.

Interesting thread here about how neither castigating nor 'being kind' to these people helps or is the point.... the problem is that, like all conned people, even if they know they have been had they will cleave to it rather than admit they were duped. The best hope is finding people they willl listen to and respect and getting them to give the right messages, rather than randos on the internet.



It is notable that while there have been a few people willing to go on public record admitting they were wrong about not getting the vaccine, they've been in the 'Well I just thought I didn't really need it and wasn't sure if the vaccine was safe' camp rather than mad conspiraloons on the whole.
 
There are absolutely Trump supporters in the UK, though they have definitely been limited to the loon fringe of the far right. We even had "Trump Boy" for a while.
Yeah, I get that they exist, it just always puzzles me - like, I appreciate there's people into weird far-right shit, I just don't get why they can't idolize a good old-fashioned British racist dickhead grifter like Tommy Robinson or someone.
 
Yeah, I get that they exist, it just always puzzles me - like, I appreciate there's people into weird far-right shit, I just don't get why they can't idolize a good old-fashioned British racist dickhead grifter like Tommy Robinson or someone.
Oh they universally do that too.
 
Yeah, I get that they exist, it just always puzzles me - like, I appreciate there's people into weird far-right shit, I just don't get why they can't idolize a good old-fashioned British racist dickhead grifter like Tommy Robinson or someone.
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Yeah, I get that they exist, it just always puzzles me - like, I appreciate there's people into weird far-right shit, I just don't get why they can't idolize a good old-fashioned British racist dickhead grifter like Tommy Robinson or someone.
It’s not so much that for me. It’s more how the fuck can they idolise such a clown? Some people you can see where their charisma comes from, but Trump? How can you be taken in by such an obvious doofus?
 
It’s not so much that for me. It’s more how the fuck can they idolise such a clown? Some people you can see where their charisma comes from, but Trump? How can you be taken in by such an obvious doofus?
I have an theory. He is the man who gets away with it, with everything, with being stupid, with assaulting women, openly lying, not paying workers not paying tax etc. He lives without consequences for all the basest most selfish desires gets to be President and have a gold toilet for it, and that’s the appeal. They don’t actually admire him the man they just long to escape consequences and obligation.
 
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Well, they seem nice.


Proper horrible cunts. I have an iCU nurse friend who had to live away from her clinically vulnerable partner and four year old son for months on end, and I saw the sadness in one of my hospital consultants talking about being away from family and always worrying about how their vulnerable patients were getting by, making special efforts to follow up all of them. Enormous sacrifices, done out of love and respect, and these cunts dare criticise them and call for harm.

It’s way more than time these fucks were just chased off the streets wherever they assemble, I want no more of it.
 
And they are out again today, in Birmigham, Cardiff and probably elsewhere too, also protests planned all over France
Yes here too. Seeing high numbers of previously otherwise more or less normal people at these things is particularly worrisome.


 
Proper horrible cunts. I have an iCU nurse friend who had to live away from her clinically vulnerable partner and four year old son for months on end, and I saw the sadness in one of my hospital consultants talking about being away from family and always worrying about how their vulnerable patients were getting by, making special efforts to follow up all of them. Enormous sacrifices, done out of love and respect, and these cunts dare criticise them and call for harm.

It’s way more than time these fucks were just chased off the streets wherever they assemble, I want no more of it.
Yup. My brother’s fiancé is a radiologist and X-rays Covid patients’ lungs (among other things). She’s seen some very sick people, and has been utterly run ragged at various points during the pandemic. Not to mention the worry of bringing the virus home.

It’s one thing being a rattling airhead, and quite another making parallels with the Nuremberg trials and talking about health workers being hung. Nothing but contempt for those fucks.
 
I’ve been puzzling over the flag in front of the Trump flag, too. I probably don’t want to know, but it isn’t familiar to me.

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Was curious about this, and it turns of to be the flag of a Minecraft world created by some YouTubers. I don't know how this relates to the protest.

 
Yup. My brother’s fiancé is a radiologist and X-rays Covid patients’ lungs (among other things). She’s seen some very sick people, and has been utterly run ragged at various points during the pandemic. Not to mention the worry of bringing the virus home.

It’s one thing being a rattling airhead, and quite another making parallels with the Nuremberg trials and talking about health workers being hung. Nothing but contempt for those fucks.
The frustrating problem being any kind of counter demonstration or challenge against the pro-virus idiots would just be putting the participants at risk, with crowding, distancing and a maskless foe. Don’t know how this can be resolved, but it must be, this brain disease has infected too many.
 
Proper horrible cunts. I have an iCU nurse friend who had to live away from her clinically vulnerable partner and four year old son for months on end, and I saw the sadness in one of my hospital consultants talking about being away from family and always worrying about how their vulnerable patients were getting by, making special efforts to follow up all of them. Enormous sacrifices, done out of love and respect, and these cunts dare criticise them and call for harm.

It’s way more than time these fucks were just chased off the streets wherever they assemble, I want no more of it.
They were ranting and demonstrating for months demanding an end to lockdown, but six days after that happened, they are still complaining and making a nuisance of themselves.
You know how the Express and the Fail always describe any Left-oriented protest or demo as 'rent-a-mob', 'professional protestors' etc?
Hmmm
 
I have an theory. He is the man who gets away with it, with everything, with being stupid, with assaulting women, openly lying, not paying workers not paying tax etc. He lives without consequences for all the basest most selfish desires gets to be President and have a gold toilet for it, and that’s the appeal. They don’t actually admire him the man they just long to escape consequences and obligation.
Berlusconi was arguably the model for this sort of anti-politician in whose footsteps Trump and Johnson have followed.
I had it explained to me by an Italian friend that a certain type of Italian voter (mostly but not exclusively male) admired Berlusconi for his sleazy antics, on the basis that he was more like 'one of them' than a professional politician. As for the disgusting clubs, the young girls and the corruption, they reckoned there was a sense of 'good luck to him, if I could get away with it I'd do it too'. In Italy there's the long-standing suspicion and mistrust of the central State to be factored in, whereas in the UK I reckon class and a resurgence of class deference came into play, but even before Johnson - it began with Cameron. How else to explain voters thinking an Old Etonian Oxbridge posho is suitable to run the country? Their backgrounds mean they are totally cut off from everyday life so they should automatically be ruled out as suitable PMs, but nooo...
A sort of aspirationalism, 'if I had the money I'd send my kid to a private school' maybe. Plus in Johnson's case, 'ooh he's so clever, he knows Latin'.
 
Was curious about this, and it turns of to be the flag of a Minecraft world created by some YouTubers. I don't know how this relates to the protest.

Don't know what I was expecting the answer to be, but I would not have predicted that.
 
The frustrating problem being any kind of counter demonstration or challenge against the pro-virus idiots would just be putting the participants at risk, with crowding, distancing and a maskless foe. Don’t know how this can be resolved, but it must be, this brain disease has infected too many.

Could we beat them with 2-3 metre long sticks, while wearing FFP2 masks?

Or use water pistols on them, from a safe (to us) distance while loudly telling them it contains the vaccine?
 
Yes here too. Seeing high numbers of previously otherwise more or less normal people at these things is particularly worrisome.


I'd guess a lot of the normal people are not really buying into the conspiraloonery but are fed up with lockdowns, just like we all are.
The danger is that they might get sucked down the rabbit hole though as I have seen happen to an acquaintance.
 
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