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Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots

ddraig said:
And they work with kids saying they know kids who've been drinking bleach and trying to kill themselves because of lockdown
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mh was a big argument of anti-lockdown loons from the off. plenty of arguments along the lines of 'lockdown-related mh issues kill more people than covid'.
not to underplay the massive impact the last 18 months had on people's emotional wellbeing, but not once have I encountered a loon campaigning for better mh services.
on the contrary - pre covid a lot of the loons seemed to spout a very 'pull-yourself-together' attitude towards mh.
 
ddraig said:
Someone I know sharing videos of this today, can't tell if they went or not
They shared some Icke son crap the other day so I commented about them being a far right loon and they replied that I shouldn't watch their stories if they upset me, also claimed to be just anti mask then went on about experimental vaccines and their grandson who has a perfectly good immune system :hmm:
When I said again about the far right involved they said they "didn't care who was far right or left" and didn't like it when I said they wouldn't give a fuck about them or their grandson, neither of whom are white
And they work with kids saying they know kids who've been drinking bleach and trying to kill themselves because of lockdown
What the fuck do you say to that!! :facepalm:
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This worth a read

While there are certainly costs to be expected from intervening against COVID-19—every decision has a cost, after all—the counterfactual of an unmitigated epidemic makes these restrictions far less damaging than some have suggested. These counterfactuals are not hypothetical and have been observed tragically globally. It appears clear from evidence to date that government interventions, even more restrictive ones such as stay-at-home orders, are beneficial in some circumstances and unlikely to be causing harms more extreme than the pandemic itself.
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Is the cure really worse than the disease? The health impacts of lockdowns during COVID-19 | BMJ Global Health

gh.bmj.com
 
I was driving through town last night and there were a few hundred milling about. In trafalgar I stopped at lights and a few were crossing the road with banners. I couldn't resist wound down the window, made eye contact with one, smiled and shouted at him" you're a fucking nutter mate". his grinning face dropped and he gave me the wanker sign.

I know, childish from me. Verbal abuse. Not good. But on the other hand I was expressing all the shit that covid had put me through to someone who very likely has not given a single shit from the start.
 
cuppa tee said:
...two memes posted by the same anti vaccine guy....this must be what they refer to as critical thinking...View attachment 280509
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This just about sums up your average nutjob really ME, I AM THE AUTHORITY, I SOMEHOW MAGICALLY KNOW WHAT IS BEST until it's your son posting about how they can never have a normal relationship with you because you are so utterly self-obsessed that you think calling for the hanging of medical professionals is ok.

I've tried really hard to not be a judgy cunt about all this lot, but we are way over the edge now. I think the worst thing is that it's not even stupidity - and I really hate how many of you jump at that - it's fucking lazy. It's wanting simple, black and white, no actual fucking research answers to everything coupled with ME, ME, ME, I'M SPECIAL.
 
fucthest8 said:
This just about sums up your average nutjob really ME, I AM THE AUTHORITY, I SOMEHOW MAGICALLY KNOW WHAT IS BEST until it's your son posting about how they can never have a normal relationship with you because you are so utterly self-obsessed that you think calling for the hanging of medical professionals is ok.

I've tried really hard to not be a judgy cunt about all this lot, but we are way over the edge now. I think the worst thing is that it's not even stupidity - and I really hate how many of you jump at that - it's fucking lazy. It's wanting simple, black and white, no actual fucking research answers to everything coupled with ME, ME, ME, I'M SPECIAL.
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Yes stupid doesn't cover it. Weak is a better word I think. The amount of cognitive ability actually needed to reject all these 'theories' as dog shit is pretty small. Young kids can do it. You don't need to be stupid to be an antivaxxer, but you do need to be weak. You have to decide to ignore the evidence of your senses just so you can feel special. And you have to not care about other people suffering as a result.
 
LynnDoyleCooper said:
Not a popular position but all those hippie schools and home schooling should be banned ime.
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I'd completely agree if it wasn't for the fact the alternative in the shape of dreadful authoritarian Academies is diabolical.

Hate the way that parents are always assumed to have their children's best interests at heart and are always the best people to make decisions for them. You don't own your children.
 
lazythursday said:
I'd completely agree if it wasn't for the fact the alternative in the shape of dreadful authoritarian Academies is diabolical.

Hate the way that parents are always assumed to have their children's best interests at heart and are always the best people to make decisions for them. You don't own your children.
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No worries, along with my dictatorial banning of home education and hippie schools, they'll be an educational revolution transforming the school system as we know it. :thumbs:
 
fucthest8 said:
This just about sums up your average nutjob really ME, I AM THE AUTHORITY, I SOMEHOW MAGICALLY KNOW WHAT IS BEST until it's your son posting about how they can never have a normal relationship with you because you are so utterly self-obsessed that you think calling for the hanging of medical professionals is ok.

I've tried really hard to not be a judgy cunt about all this lot, but we are way over the edge now. I think the worst thing is that it's not even stupidity - and I really hate how many of you jump at that - it's fucking lazy. It's wanting simple, black and white, no actual fucking research answers to everything coupled with ME, ME, ME, I'M SPECIAL.
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yes it's selfish and so very black and white. a lot of it operates from the basis that some people are good and others (the minority) are evil / psychopaths. it's the easy way out, the easy explanation for everything that's wrong in the world. once it's all reduced to psychopaths running the world and getting off on doing nasty things there is no need for a political analysis / debate.
 
LynnDoyleCooper said:
Not a popular position but all those hippie schools and home schooling should be banned ime.
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Not the latter, please.

It has a very important role ie the EOTAS system. My OH used to work for that scheme in Northumberland. It was mainly for medical issues such as CFS, or recovering from a broken hip, but also there were a few with behavioural problems.

Currently, my two great-nieces are being home-schooled. That's on medical advice. The older one is on the autistic spectrum, but very high functioning. She can't cope with classrooms, too noisy and distracting. The younger one is, basically, allergic to almost the whole world, she's getting better gradually.
 
fucthest8 said:
This just about sums up your average nutjob really ME, I AM THE AUTHORITY, I SOMEHOW MAGICALLY KNOW WHAT IS BEST until it's your son posting about how they can never have a normal relationship with you because you are so utterly self-obsessed that you think calling for the hanging of medical professionals is ok.

I've tried really hard to not be a judgy cunt about all this lot, but we are way over the edge now. I think the worst thing is that it's not even stupidity - and I really hate how many of you jump at that - it's fucking lazy. It's wanting simple, black and white, no actual fucking research answers to everything coupled with ME, ME, ME, I'M SPECIAL.
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Agreed. Reeks of pathological narcissism. The "no one is the boss of me!" mantra thay permeates narcissists life. The ego is inflated so large thay it dwarfs entire global scientific communities. Dwarfs the caution around protecting others.

These are unpleasant people.
 
This tweet from one of the covid rally threads articulates something that's always been at the back of my mind when observing covid denial, in all its pathological incarnations. As said, if our MSM media ever start fully entertaining this shit, like many tories and woo cakes would like, then yes, the beginning of the end. It made me shiver a bit:

"destructive furies unleashed by the lie fest of 2016 is the notion that, ‘all opinions are of equal value’. They’re really not. Expertise matters and to stop believing that now could be civilisation ending.

6:53 PM · Jul 24, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

The grift is endless and it's everywhere. Resist these cunts everywhere and for all its faults find the true value in education, science, research and proper journalism. These people are part of the virus.
 
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