Disabled People Against Cuts 'week of action' on rights/decent life has begun.

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Disabled People Against Cuts 'week of action' for disabled and sick people's rights, including 'No More Benefit Deaths' protest in London on Thursday has begun



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as usual interest from wider society seems minimal. Lets hope at least on here it gets discussed.

 

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[Pickman's model]

yeh. it's useful to announce these things in advance so people know about them.

 

[treelover]

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People have been trying, Momentum have only just put the status up, why not a constructive comment for these important events.

can someone try to embed some of the photos above, they may be copyrighted though.

 

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Jonathan Bartlett, Green Party Co-Leader, Where are Labour?

 

[Pickman's model]

why not a constructive comment for these important events.

it is a constructive comment, it is best to put these things up some time in advance - months, not weeks - so there's time to, in trotspeak, build the demonstrations.

can someone try to embed some of the photos above, they may be copyrighted though.

almost everything embedded here is in copyright, never stopped us before has it.

 

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London, UK. 5th September 2016. A belly dancer performs at the 'Pop-Up Street theatre showcasing the creativity of disabled people and the contribution they can make to society with proper support outside Downing St. The event, which followed the launch in Parliament of the Inclusion London report evaluating the disastrous effects of cutting care and support funding for personal assistance following the closure of the Independent Living Fund in 2015, was part of a series of protests calling for 'Rights Not Games' to coincide with the Rio Paralympics. Peter Marshall/Alamy Live News

 

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Very disappointed more urbanites haven't even bothered to view the thread.

 

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Sheffield one, again limited number, time for a debate why this is the case.




Norwich

 

[equationgirl]

Very disappointed more urbanites haven't even bothered to view the thread.

I don't think that's fair. You castigate urbanites all the time for not doing what you think is enough to support various actions, so I don't think you can really complain if people aren't reacting as quickly as you would like.

Pickman's model has a point - better advance notification would help encourage more support.

 

[equationgirl]

Plus I don't think you can take others to task for not participating when you admit you've done your bit.

Why are there so few supporters? Well it's during the week so many people have health appointments, ATOS or MAXIMUS interviews including form filling and preparation, going to post office, supermarket, work, looking after their families, collecting and taking kids to school/other places, you know, life. not to mention if there are disabilities or health issues it's not as simple as going to a protest as I've explained over and over again.

Be the change you want to see in the world, treelover, lead by example.

 

[Greebo]

Very disappointed more urbanites haven't even bothered to view the thread.

Pray do forgive me for a) having a life, and b) feeling like shit, therefore not having been online at all most of today.

 

[treelover]

Like i always say its not aimed at anyone specific, especially the regular posters, and certainly not at sick and disable people themselves, but yes, it is an issue, its not the first time, such number have been poor for a decade its historical, yes, many people are at work, etc, but the fact is the disability movement(as for the sick they are invisible) doesn't seem to have many allies.It may be the slogan, 'nothing about us without us', that puts off some people, I don't know. but, the fact remains the numbers who support nearly every other street protest, etc are not there for SADP. One can also see a clear example on here, the BLM thread has many hundreds of views today, this just over 100, that says something. This lack of practical support form primarily able bodied/non sick activists needs to be discussed and analysed, maybe this isn't the forum for it, it would be sad if wasn't. Maybe some feathers do have to be ruffled in the process, again certainly not posters like yourselves who I have enormous respect for.

People are dying every week, don't disabled lives matter.?

can't write much more, not good tonight.

 

[Greebo]

<snip> People are dying every week, don't disabled lives matter.?

can't write much more, not good tonight.

Yes of course they bloody well matter - and for some strange reason I find myself signposting people towards advice for PIP, AA, CA, and ESA etc no matter where I go on the net, the same goes for recommending the Selfish Pig's Guide to Caring.

My point is that this stuff isn't just for one big day or one public demo; it's about the stuff you, me, and everybody else does every single day they can.

treelover tomorrow's another day, maybe better for both of us.

 

[chilango]

This lack of practical support form primarily able bodied/non sick activists needs to be discussed and analysed

Ok.

Some questions to get you started.

1. Why do you think this is?
2. How can it be changed?
3. What difference will this make?

 

[equationgirl]

And yes, of course disabled lives matter treelover but a) stop writing about the lack of support on urban if you're not aiming it at urbanites and b) do something about it apart from posting these threads all the time.

Plus I think you're making assumptions that activists are able to do more. How do you know they don't suffer hidden disabilities or have other commitments such as caring, family etc?

 

[BigTom]

from my perspective almost everything (local anyway) welfare/benefits related happens during the day when I'm at work, so I can't be involved on any regular basis. Not a criticism as obvious why, but it's a big block for anyone working to support actions by/for those who aren't.
Comparing views/posts on threads is absolutely meaningless.

 

[BigTom]

also most of the stuff that we do is practical support - help with forms, appeals etc and the longer I'm out of the social security system and the more it changes from JSA/WTC to UC the less and less I know and the less use I can be anyway.

 

[existentialist]

Very disappointed more urbanites haven't even bothered to view the thread.

Oh, FFS, enough with the passive-aggressive grandma routine, already! I'm interested in this, but if there's one more bleat from you on this thread about how everybody isn't doing enough, I'm fucking it off.

 

[chilango]

Ok.

Some questions to get you started.

1. Why do you think this is?
2. How can it be changed?
3. What difference will this make?

...and to help to start the debate, I'll have a quick go at answering my own questions.

1.I just don't think it's generally true that there are fewer activists turning up at these protests than others. Look at the photos treelover posted and compare to those in the latest BLM stuff for example. Arguably more people in the DPAC protests, no?

In fact my experience is that the vast majority of protests are done by a small number of people, regardless of how "sexy" the cause. Only a very small proportion get big numbers. IME that's been as true for anti-fascism as it has been for environmentalism or anti-capitalism or benefits or education or workplace or or or or...

2. Short answer is getting the word out to the right people, at the right time, with clear ways for people to get involved. But it won't always work. I've called protests that thousands have attended and others that literally no-one other than the organisers have. About the same cause. Practical organising tips are many and varied. If you want to discuss that.

3. However, numbers and media coverage and impact and effectiveness are all very different things. Neither numbers nor media coverage are the be all and end all. I've been in some campaigns that have won with single figure participation and zero media coverage. I've been in others that have been lead story on the news and got six figure attendances that have lost. Beyond the scope of this post to discuss. I'm happy to chat about that stuff down thread if that's the way the conversation goes.

 

[chilango]

There's also a discussion to be had about whether focussing on the support/participation of other activists is in itself a very limiting stance.

...but again, we'll see how the conversation develops.

 

[inva]

Oh, FFS, enough with the passive-aggressive grandma routine, already! I'm interested in this, but if there's one more bleat from you on this thread about how everybody isn't doing enough, I'm fucking it off.

the endless moaning about treelover is just as repetitive as his/her complaints about activists.

if I hear one more word out of you!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Ok.

Some questions to get you started.

1. Why do you think this is?
2. How can it be changed?
3. What difference will this make?

I don't know about "now", but 10 and 20 years ago, a big part of non-disabled people not participating is that some disability activists chased them off, not wanting help from "normals".

 

[brogdale]

We could probably spend too much time deciding quite how Benyon should be dispatched.

 

[pengaleng]

I'm disabled and I aint got the energy for shit like this. as much as I'd like to.

really wish the whole 'lives matter' thing would fuck off tho. it's pretty obvious otherwise you wouldnt be protesting. it's just thick. and it's only applies in certain circumstances anyway, no one would protest about a disabled murderers life mattering - no they'd deserve the disability.

I'm not making myself more fucked up by protesting on the streets because it's pointless, government wont listen. Get a meeting with the cunts and I might entertain it.

and furthermore I dont really fancy the possibility of being kept somewhere for hours because the police wont let anyone leave etc kettles are not compatible with disability.

 

[Pickman's model]

We could probably spend too much time deciding quite how Benyon should be dispatched.

mining on main island

 

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[Chilli.s]

Hoping that these protests go well and get some decent media coverage too. IMHO more important than the lot that stopped up the airport. I suppose reasonable just isn't newsworthy with our shamefully lazy press and TV.