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[butchersapron]

subject to tribal hatred

You fuckin moron

Modernised, join the modernisers not the tribalisers. Join the good not bad. Pathetic. For a tory with half a brain i thought you'd see through that.

 

[little_legs]

Can anyone find me a worse article than this?

(How much do people like Glover get paid for this 'free' shit anyway? The NUJ should have the pompous cunts cards)

a comment under this article:

Clegg looks perfectly at home with his public school buddy.

He started a Tory and will end a Tory.

I mean, they agree on so much - reducing benefits and expanding workfare, and...well, reducing benefits and expanding workfare. And don't forget about reducing benefits and expanding workfare.

What glorious day.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, the one he wrote in February this year with the immortal line:



ineterestingly he has been Matthew Paris's (ex-tory mp now times columnist) partner for several years.

That i did not know. I've written before about his lib-dem stuff for the Guardian and why it shouldn't be in the news reporting section, esp during a GE before - it rarely is anymore . Seems even they caught up with him.

 

[sihhi]

That i did not know. I've written before about his lib-dem stuff for the Guardian and why it shouldn't be in the news reporting section, esp during a GE before - it rarely is anymore . Seems even they caught up with him.

His positions are just vaultingly stupid:

Faced with that, the temptation is to plump for weakness but the centre-left may be deluding itself if it thinks that a hung parliament will strengthen its cause. But a Cameron government held hostage by parliamentary arithmetic is likely to be a government under the sway of the right. The reason is simple. A Tory party whose centrist leader has failed to deliver the argument-clinching victory which was the only reason his secretly sceptical party ever stuck with him in the first place, will be looking towards a second election, possibly soon. His new MPs will not all be extremists. But they will need nerves of steel not to dart off to populist policies on things such as climate change.

In Australia, Abbott a new form of dog-whistling, me-first politics for the selfish in the age of climate change. It is playing well in Australia. It could play well in Britain, too. You might not love Cameron, but you should hope he succeeds. Come to Canberra, and you'll find out why.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/11/the-abbott-portent-australia

 

[Azrael]

'tribal' - discounted.

Grow up.

The Arbiter Master General? Say it, don't make it so.

You fuckin moron

Modernised, join the modernisers not the tribalisers. Join the good not bad. Pathetic. For a tory with half a brain i thought you'd see through that.

Not one for double jeopardy, then.

Fucking gnosticism, EB, makes me wanna tear the fucking room down.

 

[Azrael]

Maybe the party said they would and winked they wouldn't? Wouldn't that be off for the whigs to do? Maybe she wanted to wait and see if it was true, having already learnt of the lying way of the leadership?

Whigs? How antiquarian!

 

[Proper Tidy]

Whigs? How antiquarian!

But they are the whigs.

"we're the new modern radical progressive force fighting for fairness blah blah"

Fuck off you whig bastards.

We're now ruled by two toffs representing the two oldest parties in the country.

 

[Azrael]

True, that.

Thank God the Commons benches are far enough apart to prevent dueling.

Projectile weapons have improved since then, though. Just so long as they don't come in a 40 watt range. Which the carbon busting consensus, it's not much of a worry.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Can anyone find me a worse article than this?

that is the worst thing ever

I was laughing at the Telegraph the other day but that definitely beats anything there hands down.

 

[Blagsta]

Just the sort of thing I expect to hear from an Objectivist.

the freedom to starve eh

 

[treelover]

rom wikipedia:

Nick Clegg was born in Chalfont St Giles in Buckinghamshire, in 1967, the third of four children. His father, Nicholas Clegg CBE, is chairman of United Trust Bank, and is a trustee of The Daiwa Anglo-Japanese Foundation, where Ken Clarke was an adviser. Clegg’s paternal grandmother, Kira von Engelhardt, was a Russian Baroness whose German-Russian aristocratic family fled the Bolsheviks after the 1917 Russian Revolution. Clegg’s paternal grandfather, Hugh Anthony Clegg, was the editor of the British Medical Journal for 35 years. Clegg’s great-great-grandfather, the Russian nobleman Ignaty Zakrevsky, was attorney general of the imperial Russian senate. His great-great aunt was the writer, Baroness Moura Budberg.

Clegg was educated at the private Caldicott School at Farnham Royal in South Buckinghamshire, and later at the private Westminster School in London.

He spent a gap year as a skiing instructor in Austria before attending Robinson College, Cambridge in 1986. In 2008 it was reported that while at university, Clegg had joined the Cambridge University Conservative Association between 1986 and 1987, with contemporary membership records citing an “N. Clegg” of Robinson College. (At the time, Clegg was the only person of that name at Robinson.)

I didn't realise just how posh and more importantly connected Clegg really is

 

[treelover]

that is the worst thing ever

I was laughing at the Telegraph the other day but that definitely beats anything there hands down.
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I sat that he is being savaged by posters on CIF, what is happening to the Guardian?

 

[butchersapron]

Ooh yeah, forgot to aks - what happened to the lib-dems proposed pass-laws? Tories chuck them out as too extreme?

 

[butchersapron]

One for stoat boy - the impossible dream:

 

[ernestolynch]

that is the worst thing ever

I was laughing at the Telegraph the other day but that definitely beats anything there hands down.

My campaign against that hateful Guardian rag is vindicated I feel.

William, it was really nothing.

Buy the Mirror.

 

[cesare]

My campaign against that hateful Guardian rag is vindicated I feel.

William, it was really nothing.

Buy the Mirror.

The Guardian is the LibDems dream newspaper.

 

[danny la rouge]

the freedom to starve eh

Exactly. Clearly someone who didn't quite get Mazlow.

 

[moon23]

Exactly. Clearly someone who didn't quite get Mazlow.

Would that be starving as in an estimated 3.1–7 million people in Stalin's collective farming program?

 

[Fedayn]

Would that be starving as in an estimated 3.1–7 million people in Stalin's collective farming program?

That's a fucking big straw man you built there.....

 

[moon23]

moon23 above certainly did, not sure the actual party did use it relation to that. More specifically he used it in support of an agenda that is based entirely in the right of an individual to whatever they want and wider society be damned - don't care if you're getting fucked over at least i don't have to show my ID ate tesco. A total separation of the issues. Thatcherism in action, and no wonder he's so shit hot excited about this new tory govt he worked his arse off for.

I just see things in different dialects, your the one who is so willing to reduce things to a simplistic and outdated notion of left or right that you are quite happy for people to live in a some kind of authoritarian nightmare so long as it follows a vaguely lefty economic policy.

I could see you as the one turning a blind eye to the Stasi so long as they occasionally fed you some propaganda about fighting capitalism and the state acting in the interests of the workers.

 

[DotCommunist]

Playing the Stalin card really isn't helping your position here.

 

[moon23]

Playing the Stalin card really isn't helping your position here.

Ok i'll use the Mao one instead.

 

[Fedayn]

I just see things in different dialects, your the one who is so willing to reduce things to a simplistic and outdated notion of left or right that you are quite happy for people to live in a some kind of authoritarian nightmare so long as it follows a vaguely lefty economic policy.

I could see you as the one turning a blind eye to the Stasi so long as they occasionally fed you some propaganda about fighting capitalism and the state acting in the interests of the workers.

I think i've found that 'teensy bright side' that gamma was referring to, this is brilliant stuff.

 

[moon23]

Claiming that somehow having a government that restores civil liberties is going to result in people starving in the UK is just bizzare. You should smile, the Lib Dems have stuck to their promise and scrapped ID cards, this is a great moment in our political history. The restoration of our freedom from an authortarian Labour government has arrived.

 

[DotCommunist]

that is not what was said. Freedom to starve is a criticism leveled at Objectevist political philosophy (If we can dignify it by calling it that).

 

[danny la rouge]

Would that be starving as in an estimated 3.1–7 million people in Stalin's collective farming program?

Clown. The only Stalinist on this thread voted Liberal.

 

[danny la rouge]

I just see things in different dialects, your the one who is so willing to reduce things to a simplistic and outdated notion of left or right that you are quite happy for people to live in a some kind of authoritarian nightmare so long as it follows a vaguely lefty economic policy.

It's a good idea, isn't it, when you're in the wrong, to make up stuff?

 

[Blagsta]

Would that be starving as in an estimated 3.1–7 million people in Stalin's collective farming program?

You can do better than that.

 

[moon23]

Most of this board is living in some fantasy world where they think Labour wouldn't have made exactly the same cuts, the economy is messed up, comprehensive spending reviews across Whitehall were already on hold.

Cuts were already being made in the University sector with Jobs going at places Like Leeds and Sussex, jobs had allready gone at car factories and steel works all under a Labour govenrment. Labour were not some great protector of the workers against the market, they were fully onboard with market liberalism that thanks to globalisation is entrenced in our society. The choice was between three parties with economically liberal polices, and i'd rather support one that was also socially liberal rather than an authortarian one that kept trying to controll how people should live their lives.

I don’t think it’s a good thing that anyone losses their jobs, as i’ve said in this thread i’m soon going to be unemployed and it’s a worry to me too. The reality of the situation is though it would have been lot worse if there hadn’t been a coalition, the country plunged into the economic chaos of another election, more jobs lost. Then a Tory majority re-elected as Labour and the Lib Dem’s war chest was empty.

There are a lot of down sides to any administration with Tories in it, but this is the type of coalition politics we would have under PR in action, it’s about a mature compromise.
On the plus side we will get some of our civil liberties back, and that’s something to be pleased about.

 

[Blagsta]

I just see things in different dialects, your the one who is so willing to reduce things to a simplistic and outdated notion of left or right that you are quite happy for people to live in a some kind of authoritarian nightmare so long as it follows a vaguely lefty economic policy.

I could see you as the one turning a blind eye to the Stasi so long as they occasionally fed you some propaganda about fighting capitalism and the state acting in the interests of the workers.

stop it, you can construct better arguments than that...can't you?