butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's a piece of piss. Networker.
Did You Vote LibDem?
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It's a piece of piss. Networker.
If we hadn't taken part in a government the Lib Dems would have been accused of plunging the country into chaos. This announcement in it'self would have resulted in economic problems, and the Tories being the only party that could afford to fight another election would get in with an increased majority.
This way the Tories have had their wings clipped a bit and some good Lib Dem policy is being put into action. It's made the best out of a bad situation.
Networker? Is that meant to be some kind of insult?
I have never been a member of the SWP
Were growing up and expect to be again soon.
Thank fuck I'm not the only one that see's it this way. Alternatively they've both got it wrong and we're all going to hell......
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No they wouldn't you excuse making muthafucka.
And no they wouldn't. The tories reached the very top of their vote, as did you. Labour was on it's barebones hardcore vote, they were the only ones going to increase their vote. This is a transparent scare story because you know that you chose a tory govt because you'd lose some seats in a 2nd election. That's what this 'national interest' shit that you're still trying to pull above means in political reality.
Wings clipped my arse, you've got fuck all because you man precisely fuck all. NO PR, immediate cuts, didn't get your 10 grand tax-cut for the better off (not in a way that doesn't cost massively and benefits the better paid anyway), nothing on trident, nothing on nuclear power, nothing at ll in fact.
Not really, grew up with a struggling single-parent. Perhaps you should stop making assumptions about people you don't know, it just makes you look stupid.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Striver.
Labour was never going to increase it's vote with another election campaign fought on empty coffers. Face it the pragmatics of the situation speak for themselves, this is the best deal we could have got given the outcome.
Things would have got really ugly with a run on the pound, I know that's down to nasty market forces and you might like to pretend that doesn't matter but it's just as much people's jobs on the line when the country gets plunged into real political chaos due to the Lib Dems forcing another election.
We got the £10K tax, we got elected lords, AV, Restoration of the earnings link for the basic state pension from April 2011 with a “triple guarantee” that pensions are raised by the higher of earnings, prices or 2.5%, fixed term parliments and a load of other stuff on Civil Liberties to name a few.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
See, this sort of i don't care what happens to you as long as i'm sorted approach is what labour grew up opposing and why it won't be going away anytime soon. Why even after 13 years of the worst govt ever it can still pull in 30% of the vote. Because those on the shitty end of the stick are terrified of what happens if individualist mugs like the moonie party get (regardless of whether the labour party is the best place body to defend these things) near power. It's already turned form ID cards to defending and justifying immediate savage cuts.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There wouldn't be empty coffers, union money would pour in - woken up by mugs like you.
You didn't get the 10k tax cut for better off, you didn't 'get' AV, you got told to shut up and eat it, chucking away one of your two central principles, the other one was also sold for a pottage (immediate cuts), trident, gone,. nuclear power, gone - you got a promise on a dying idea that labour promised you more on. And you took it because you have more in com mon with the tories than anyone else, you're neo-liberal anti-union pro-cuts, anti-NHS, anti-worker rats.
I feel that unions political funds are not that flush
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There's ways, there's loans, there's all sorts of dodgy shit.
Incidentally just to justify my position here - I agree with a lot of the principles but not the last paragraph - this is where the compromises are e.g. you don't get the 10k tax you get upped 1k in the next 12 months as it costs approximately £5bn. But the point is you get a compromise - which DC knows is essential to keep him in No.10. To add to this no you don't get AV you get a referendum, but the point is that is more than the Tories were originally offering.....
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
The social democrat wing are Left. The Orange Book brigade aren't. At least economically, the whole bunch of them are social Left.
I've voted for 'em, and may actually, through a quirk of FPTP, end up with a proper Liberal Party to support. Funny old world.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The orange book club own them, kit and caboodle. The whole bunch are economic neo-liberals, that's why their program dovetails so nicely with the tories neo-liberal program.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
If Clegg hadn't fucked up by showing his hand too early, all this could have been avoided anyway. But, he did. What he could have done to retrieve that situation is to have the LibDems go it alone, meaning that the LibDems could have negotiated some REAL concessions to allow the Queen's Speech + mebbe 6m gentlemen's agreement through.
But, that whiff of power ...
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Left of what? They may be left of Labour and Tory, but the social democrat wing isn't left of centre.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
They do now. Being a social democrat in that coalition is like being a teetotaler at Oktoberfest. Drink up, or get out.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Who knows, with the ever-shifting "centre".
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
The ever-shifting centre shifts further and further right. That's the only direction it shifts in, and the 3 main parties are moving it that way. This was such an opportunity for the LibDems to put a marker down in the sand, and use their balance of power to move things further left. But they'd rather 'govern' and they've fucked everyone over in that self interest. Worse than the tories.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Clegg the new Blair then?
Yes. But not as good at it - yet. He'll be having expert tuition as Cameron's fag though.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Clegg the new Blair then?
Can't be, Cameron's the new Blair.
But his bubble may already have been pricked [hopefully] or have the Great British Public not yet learnt their lesson?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I suspect that the Great British Public naturally want good news and reassurance. So the coalition will spin out the fluffy bunny stuff for as long as possible c/o media. But ... do Cameron and Clegg not imagine that families are fucking doing the sums?
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