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Did You Vote LibDem?


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you assume there's any argument to be had ....


your basic premise is wrong....

It's like looking through a window in time.

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Louis MacNeice
 
Exactly. That's why I started this thread.

Apparently getting rid of ID cards is worth it, even if it increases poverty and unemployment. This is moon23's argument. This is why I de-friended him. Sorry moon23, but that's pretty fucking insulting.
 
Beforehand it was worth it for PR, now that's wandered off, it's worth these £6 bn of cuts in a year to stop ID cards. I love these principles.
 
Apparently getting rid of ID cards is worth it, even if it increases poverty and unemployment. This is moon23's argument. This is why I de-friended him. Sorry moon23, but that's pretty fucking insulting.
Indeed. Utterly insulting. And reminiscent of Keith Joseph: people's lives use as counters in a game.
 
Apparently getting rid of ID cards is worth it, even if it increases poverty and unemployment. This is moon23's argument. This is why I de-friended him. Sorry moon23, but that's pretty fucking insulting.

It's even more insulting when the Tories were going to do that anyway.
 
Where's this lib-dem exodus if all this happened that we were promised? I can only see members/supporters defending. Voters seem largely to be annoyed. Where's the activists exodus? Where's the MP's defecting? The breakaway branches?
 
Where's this lib-dem exodus if all this happened that we were promised? I can only see members/supporters defending. Voters seem largely to be annoyed. Where's the activists exodus? Where's the MP's defecting? The breakaway branches?
You forget the chemistry. The mood music. It's a love-in.
 
Where's this lib-dem exodus if all this happened that we were promised? I can only see members/supporters defending. Voters seem largely to be annoyed. Where's the activists exodus? Where's the MP's defecting? The breakaway branches?

I said I'd vote Green next time. What more do you want? My first born child? :D
 
Where's this lib-dem exodus if all this happened that we were promised? I can only see members/supporters defending. Voters seem largely to be annoyed. Where's the activists exodus? Where's the MP's defecting? The breakaway branches?

Surely that will only happen when things start to go wrong. Then people will say that they kept their doubts quiet as a matter of principle (loyalty) and that the leadership and/or Cameron has now compromised that principle. You can be sure that principle will be involved.

Louis MacNeice
 
Surely that will only happen when things start to go wrong. Then people will say that they kept their doubts quiet as a matter of principle (loyalty) and that the leadership and/or Cameron has now compromised that principle. You can be sure that principle will be involved.

Louis MacNeice

Ah, the Hattersly principle!
 
Apparently getting rid of ID cards is worth it, even if it increases poverty and unemployment. This is moon23's argument. This is why I de-friended him. Sorry moon23, but that's pretty fucking insulting.

It's worth it becuase all these polices that form part of the deal have a real chance of being enacted.

A Fair Start for Children

· Introduce a Pupil Premium to give all children a fair start.


Fairer taxes and Economic Reform

* A substantial increase in the personal allowance from April 2011 with a longer term policy objective of further increasing the personal allowance to £10,000, making further real terms steps each year towards this objective
* Reform of the banking system, ensuring a flow of lending to businesses and a Banking Levy. An independent commission on separating retail and investment banking.
* Capital Gains Tax reform




Fair Politics

* Fixed-term parliaments and a referendum on electoral reform for the House of Commons.
* A power of recall, allowing voters to force a by-election where an MP was found to have engaged in serious wrongdoing.
* A wholly or mainly elected House of Lords on the basis of proportional representation.
* Giving Parliament control of its own agenda so that all bills are properly debated.
* Enacting the Calman Commission proposals and a referendum on further Welsh devolution.
* A statutory register of lobbyists.
* A limit on political donations and reform of party funding in order to remove big money from politics.
* Radical devolution of power and greater financial autonomy to local government and community groups.


A fair and sustainable future

* Establish a smart electricity grid and the roll-out of smart meters.
* Establish feed-in tariff systems in electricity
* A huge increase in energy from waste through anaerobic digestion.
* The creation of a green investment bank.
* The provision of home energy improvement paid for by the savings from lower energy bills.
* Retention of energy performance certificates when HIPs are scrapped.
* Measures to encourage marine energy.
* The establishment of an emissions performance standard that will prevent coal-fired power stations being built unless they are equipped with sufficient CCS to meet the emissions performance standard.
* Establish a high-speed rail network.
* Cancel the third runway at Heathrow and refuse additional runways at Gatwick and Stansted.
* Replace the Air Passenger Duty with a ‘per plane’ duty.
* The provision of a floor price for carbon, as well as efforts to persuade the EU to move towards full auctioning of ETS permits.
* Make the import or possession of illegal timber a criminal offence.
* Promote green spaces and wildlife corridors in order to halt the loss of habitats and restore biodiversity.
* Reduce central government carbon emissions by 10 per cent within 12 months.
* Increase the target for energy from renewable sources.


Pensions

* Restoration of the earnings link for the basic state pension from April 2011 with a “triple guarantee” that pensions are raised by the higher of earnings, prices or 2.5%.
* Phase out the default retirement age and end the rules requiring compulsory annuitisation at 75.
* Implement the Parliamentary and Health Ombudsman’s recommendation to make fair and transparent payments to Equitable Life policyholders.


Civil Liberties

* Scrap the ID card scheme, the National Identity register, the next generation of biometric passports and the ContactPoint Database.
* Outlaw the finger-printing of children at school without parental permission.
* Extend the scope of the Freedom of Information Act to provide greater transparency.
* Adopt the Scottish approach to stopping retention of innocent people’s DNA on the DNA database.
* Defend trial by jury.
* Restore rights to non-violent protest.
* A review of libel laws to protect freedom of speech.
* Safeguards against the misuse of anti-terrorism legislation.
* Further regulation of CCTV.
* Ending of storage of internet and email records without good reason.
* A new mechanism to prevent the proliferation of unnecessary new criminal offences.
* End the detention of children for immigration purposes.
 
It's worth it becuase all these polices that form part of the deal have a real chance of being enacted.
We've read it. They don't say what you think they say. And in any case, not worth the human misery. What kind of person trades other people's unemployment against crap agreements that make the Liberals look like the cunts they are?
 
We've read it. They don't say what you think they say. And in any case, not worth the human misery. What kind of person trades other people's unemployment against crap agreements that make the Liberals look like the cunts they are?

Far more people would be unemployed if the markets thought we had an unstable government and there was a run on the pound, it's nonsense to say it's trading on people's unemployement.

You really think if Labour got back in there wouldn't be cuts? Your living in fantasy land.
 
Far more people would be unemployed if the markets thought we had an unstable government and there was a run on the pound, it's nonsense to say it's trading on people's unemployement.

You really think if Labour got back in there wouldn't be cuts? Your living in fantasy land.

Didn't take you very long did it?
 
Far more people would be unemployed if the markets thought we had an unstable government and there was a run on the pound, it's nonsense to say it's trading on people's unemployement.

You really think if Labour got back in there wouldn't be cuts? Your living in fantasy land.
I don't support Labour. You, however, support the Tories. And to get some of your pathetic baubles through, you've agreed to put people out of their jobs. That's the reality. How can you sleep?
 
I don't support Labour. You, however, support the Tories. And to get some of your pathetic baubles through, you've agreed to put people out of their jobs. That's the reality. How can you sleep?

Becuase I disagree that they are pathetic baubles, I know many people who voted against Labour becuase of their authoritarian attitude. It's just as much the people in the Labour party who are to blame for a Tory government as anyone else.

It's also a democracy and the Conservatives got the biggest share of the vote.

You have realize that if the Lib Dems didn't form a coalition there would have been massive economic damamge done to the country and very probably another election that would see a Tory majority. The Tories being the only party who can afford another election at the moment, and Lib Dems being blammed for the taking the party back to the polls.

Instead there is a government with Lib Dems in power that will curb the worse of the Tories that's a good thing.
 
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