Did You Vote LibDem?

[butchersapron]

Becuase I disagree that they are pathetic baubles, I know many people who voted against Labour becuase of their authoritarian attitude. It's just as much the people in the Labour party who are to blame for a Tory government as anyone else.

It's also a democracy and the Conservatives got the biggest share of the vote.

You have realize that if the Lib Dems didn't form a coalition there would have been massive economic damamge done to the country and very probably another election that would see a Tory majority. The Tories being the only party who can afford another election at the moment, and Lib Dems being blammed for the taking the party back to the polls.

Instead there is a government with Lib Dems in power that will curb the worse of the Tories that's a good thing.

So you thought you'd make sure and join a tory govt now in the national interest, in order to stop a tory govt? Thanks ever so much.

And no, you're joining in with and making sure stepped up attacks on the NHS, on pensions, on jobs, on our conditions of life take place and take place right now. Curbing - keep telling yourself that.

 

[butchersapron]

Becuase <fuck off>

I spotted you as a rat as soon as you joined this board - i accused you of being a disguised lib-dem, you denied it then lo a few months later you came back announcing that you were now a lib-dem, now you're defending a tory govt. Rat.

 

[danny la rouge]

Instead there is a government with Lib Dems in power that will curb the worse of the Tories that's a good thing.

Have you looked at the agreement? The Liberals get to say "no", only where the measure is going ahead anyway. The rest is stuff the Tories would have done anyway, or to which they have said "Ooh, that's a good one!".

There was no need to prop up the Tories. None at all. And the fact that you think unemployment is a price worth paying for anything says all it needs to about you.

 

[butchersapron]

Have you looked at the agreement? The Liberals get to say "no", only where the measure is going ahead anyway. The rest is stuff the Tories would have done anyway, or to which they have said "Ooh, that's a good one!".

There was no need to prop up the Tories. None at all. And the fact that you think unemployment is a price worth paying for anything says all it needs to about you.

The crossover between lib-dems and lamont. Rats both.

 

[butchersapron]

Someone who associates with Freedom Association pro-apartheid, union busting, fairly secret army types probably ain't worth the effort anyway.

 

[moon23]

So you thought you'd make sure and join a tory govt now in the national interest, in order to stop a tory govt? Thanks ever so much.

And no, you're joining in with and making sure stepped up attacks on the NHS, on pensions, on jobs, on our conditions of life take place and take place right now. Curbing - keep telling yourself that.

The same cuts would be happening now under a Labour government, part of the reason we have cuts is becuase we are in so much debt from fighting things like Labour's illegal war in Iraq.

Simplisitc fingerpointing and name calling might make you feel better, but it isn't a very serious approach for how to run the country.

 

[butchersapron]

The same cuts would be happening now under a Labour government, part of the reason we have cuts is becuase we are in so much debt from fighting things like Labour's illegal war in Iraq.

Simplisitc fingerpointing and name calling might make you feel better, but it isn't a very serious approach for how to run the country.

Lib-dems manifesto commitment on the central question of the election: cuts next year, immediate cuts would do irrevocable harm to the recovery putting jobs at risk
Lib-dems agreement today : immediate cuts

Don't you dare even think about wagging your finger at me rat.

 

[moon23]

Have you looked at the agreement? The Liberals get to say "no", only where the measure is going ahead anyway. The rest is stuff the Tories would have done anyway, or to which they have said "Ooh, that's a good one!".

There was no need to prop up the Tories. None at all. And the fact that you think unemployment is a price worth paying for anything says all it needs to about you.

Yes it says some things like freedom I value more then employement.

 

[danny la rouge]

it isn't a very serious approach for how to run the country.

But putting people on the scrap heap is the way to go. That's serious. Too right it's serious, and you're defending it. That makes you the enemy.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes it says some things like freedom I value more then employement.

Not yours of course, as noted before, you're climbing up that pole to MP-ship.

 

[moon23]

Lib-dems manifesto commitment on the central question of the election: cuts next year, immediate cuts would do irrevocable harm to the recovery putting jobs at risk
Lib-dems agreement today : immediate cuts

Don't you dare even think about wagging your finger at me rat.

Yes the Conservatives have the biggest share of the vote, so it's understandable that there has been compromise and it's unfortunate that their economic policy is being enacted rather than Lib Dem policy but then not everyone voted Lib Dem so that's why.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes the Conservatives have the biggest share of the vote, so it's understandable that there has been compromise and it's unfortunate that their economic policy is being enacted rather than Lib Dem policy but then not everyone voted Lib Dem so that's why.

No, it's because there's complete compatibility between the two agendas. It's weird how it would fuck up the country forever before the election but not now. Now it's needed. You heading towards total wipeout even with AV, Clegg wil be safe, he'll formally cross -the whole party already has informally.

 

[trevhagl]

you are both right in a way.

people did vote against new Labour because of illegal wars and obsession with spying on it's citizens (and for me just as bad was the destruction of the welfare state) - me included

but the Tories WILL be worse, they always annihilate jobs, deliberately to keep people down and fighting amongst themselves over the shit jobs that are left.

 

[moon23]

Not yours of course, as noted before, you're climbing up that pole to MP-ship.

Incorrect i'm going to be made unemployed in September, and need also to find somewhere to live.

 

[butchersapron]

Incorrect i'm going to be made unemployed in September, and need also to find somewhere to live.

Fuck off, you'e networking and angling. rats like you always are.

 

[moon23]

you are both right in a way.

people did vote against new Labour because of illegal wars and obsession with spying on it's citizens (and for me just as bad was the destruction of the welfare state) - me included

but the Tories WILL be worse, they always annihilate jobs, deliberately to keep people down and fighting amongst themselves over the shit jobs that are left.

I have no love of the Tories.

 

[Stibs]

Can we all just give up on this idea that the Tories won the election. They didn't. If the LibDems are of the left, and their manifesto certainly suggests it, then the left won the election. The left got a majority of the votes, and a majority of the seats. Thats why this coallition is an abomination. The people didn't vote for it.

 

[butchersapron]

I have no love of the Tories.

Why aren't you rebelling then?

 

[moon23]

Fuck off, you'e networking and angling. rats like you always are.

You would know more about my life then me obviously.

 

[butchersapron]

I understand people like you genetically yes.

 

[cesare]

Can we all just give up on this idea that the Tories won the election. They didn't. If the LibDems are of the left, and their manifesto certainly suggests it, then the left won the election. The left got a majority of the votes, and a majority of the seats. Thats why this coallition is an abomination. The people didn't vote for it.

The LibDems are not of the Left. We don't have any Left wing major parties.

 

[treelover]

Lots of Guardian readers/posters on CIF for instance do indeed now see politics in terms of the the binary divisions of Statism Vs Liberty, they are all comfortably off though I presume.

Are you Moon?

 

[moon23]

Why aren't you rebelling then?

Explained, becuase I care a lot about civil liberties and also think another election so soon would have seen an outright Tory majority.

 

[flash]

Stroud/Burstow?

Yes. She wouldn't have been the right result and we all know it in our heart of hearts. Initially no regrets on this at all. Cameron will have to bend a touch on certain things and knows full well on others he will get out-voted. Will be interesting to see if lasts to May 2015.

 

[butchersapron]

Explained, becuase I care a lot about civil liberties and also think another election so soon would have seen an outright Tory majority.

No it wouldn't. What you mean is that you've made the choice to put your own party interest above the national interest as you might get wiped out because everyone hates you now because you're tory govt supporting goons.

 

[moon23]

Lots of Guardian readers/posters on CIF for instance do indeed now see politics in terms of the the binary divisions of Statism Vs Liberty, they are all comfortably off though I presume.

Are you Moon?

Not at the moment

 

[butchersapron]

Will be when he gets on the expenses gravy train stepping stone on the council - but oh no, you're dead in the midlands and north at local level very soon.

 

[moon23]

No it wouldn't. What you mean is that you've made the choice to put your own party interest above the national interest as you might get wiped out because everyone hates you now because you're tory govt supporting goons.

This post doesn't make sense, surley if it's going to wipe us out it then it's not in the party interest but rather the National interest.

 

[butchersapron]

This post doesn't make sense, surley if it's going to wipe us out it then it's not in the party interest but rather the National interest.

An election that stemmed from taking the real choice that you had not to take part in a tory govt is what would might wiped you out, now you're undemocratically tying to change the game so you're untouchable.

 

[moon23]

Will be when he gets on the expenses gravy train stepping stone on the council - but oh no, you're dead in the midlands and north at local level very soon.

Your ability to divine what may or may not happen in my life is quite a skill.