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Re. Phillips' appointment. I was going to say 'I'm no fan of hers' but that doesn't begin to cover it. She has been immature ('stab you in the front', WTF?), disloyal and a major figure in causing party disunity.

However, her brief is to cover tackling DV and even I'm someone who can see she has expertise in this area.

I think those of us on the Labour left need to be strong and vocal in scrutinising the actions of the shadow cabinet and other ministers. If there is any return to 'immigration mug' and 'party of working people' type politics they need stamping on, and there needs to be an outcry to show that a return to this sort of politics is unacceptable in the LP.

I know I'm always banging on about the mug and Rachel Reeves' comment, but I've tried to choose fairly recent examples from the post-Blair era, and to demonstrate some of the thinking in the LP before Corbyn.
 
Hearing news that there was a mass rally outside the white swan centre in yardley, people weeping, like the beatles or take that were there. Inspirational stuff
 
sleaterkinney said:
Did Corbyn and his supporters want to work with and include moderates then?.
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What was the make up of his first shadow cabinet?

For all the crap about uncompromising far left stalinists the Labour left has always been far, far more loyal than the Labour right. Benn, Corbyn, McDonnell and co might have rebelled against the whip but when did they ever urge people not to vote Labour? They criticised Blair/Brown but did they claim they were going to "stab him in the front"? Was it the left of the party that split and (tried to) set up their own parties?
 
redsquirrel said:
What was the make up of his first shadow cabinet?

For all the crap about uncompromising far left stalinists the Labour left has always been far, far more loyal than the Labour right. Benn, Corbyn, McDonnell and co might have rebelled against the whip but when did they ever urge people not to vote Labour? They criticised Blair/Brown but did they claim they were going to "stab him in the front"? Was it the left of the party that split and (tried to) set up their own parties?
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I’m no fan of Corbyn, but it wasn’t his lot who staged the farcical chicken coup.
 
The irony is that the Labour left has always been loyal (far too loyal IMO) - Bevan, Foot, Corbyn, Benn, McDonnell, Skinner. Whatever you think about these people the idea that they don't passionately believe in the LP, that they would rather the Tories were in power is nuts, the LP is their life.

They will criticise it but they would never consider not pushing people to vote the LP.
 
Aye. Hard left are soft, soft left are liberals. And cunts. I understood the appeal of corbyn but could never understand how people could throw themselves in and go to CLPs and that, having to knock about with the type of people in the labour party. Smug managerial farmers market wankers
 
Proper Tidy said:
I mean it seems silly to be having the same old arguments years after and I agree on your middle point about not being any simple single drivers (like immigration) but rather messy conflicting and overlapping and contradictory factors. But singling out the w/c vote as highly divided seems odd (it was but it was in every class - the middle class the most divided) and 'the majority of the leave vote came from AB's in the south east, not the northern working class' (ugh) is bollocks isn't it.
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I'm only singling out the w-c because that's the class we care about. And your graphs don't factor in turnout levels.
 
Gramsci said:
What I saw in my local area of Lambeth was not sniping. It was the long time New Labour Cllrs opposing the Corbyn leadership and all he represented as break with Blairism. They "sniped" at him from the very beginning. They relished making Corbyn go through a second leadership election.

A local Cllr I know had always been a die hard loyalist. Supported Blair , Brown, Miliband without question. When it came to Corybn that loyalty went out the window.

The local leader of Council Cllr Jack Hopkins recently derided the increase in local members due to Corbyn as people who just want to discuss "Venezuela" at local party meetings.

The "sniping" imo came largely from the established New Labour section in local party.

If Corbyn hadnt had to deal with a Parliamentary party who were hostile and a local party apparatus who openly opposed him - Ive heard Cllrs do this- I wonder he might have had a better chance.
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I’m not condoning that! I wanted the Labour Party to get behind Corbyn too.
 
William of Walworth said:
Protected from voting for any of them by being a PCS member .... :) ;)
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Guineveretoo said:
Why would that stop you joining the Labour Party?
I know PCS is not affiliated, but that doesn’t stop its members from joining!
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Streathamite said:
Err yeah, that got me scratching me 'ead too, tbh!:D
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I think you missed the full exchange earlier, including this :

William of Walworth said:
I was last an LP member in 2003 or 2004, but I did consider :confused: rejoining when Corbyn came in.

But for years, I'd told myself that I'd only get back into Labour through the trade union-affiliated route, and only long after Iraq :mad:.
Then the TU way was ruled out by the PCS thing (although to be fair, Mark Serwotka was publicly supportive of Corbyn/McDonnell)
Mind you, I did get into some local Labour leafletting duties during the election.
For what good that was worth in a safe seat! :(
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Streathamite said:
Jeremy never had to.'pretend' - he always was totally 'human and relatable'.
Me? I campaigned heavily for RLB. We will fight like hell to stop Starter completely selling us down the river - but we will probably lose:(
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He wasn't though. He was a Stop the War Coalition, Liberal Left, out of date backbench campaign MP.
 
Humberto said:
He wasn't though. He was a Stop the War Coalition, Liberal Left, out of date backbench campaign MP.
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How does that render him not 'human and relatable'?

You've only got to look at the footage of him meeting the community in the aftermath of Grenfell Tower to see he's human and relatable (I know comparing his to Teresa May's reaction is setting the bar very low, but still...).
 
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