Did you vote for Starmer?

[fakeplasticgirl]

people on twitter also =/= 'lefties' though.

I was meaning the people I follow on twitter screaming that starmer should be attacking the tories 24/7. It might go down well there but I don’t think it would go down particularly well with the general public, especially during a pandemic...
the accusation that he hasn’t been criticising them at all though really isn’t true...

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

Not that urban is the real world either

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

Ok, no, you’re right.

I wish now I’d voted for RLB. She’d have been great right now.

like when she couldn’t even bring herself to call out that anti-Semite on television.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I'm going to have a lot of fun bumping threads in about six months tbf

 

[Proper Tidy]

Or six weeks

 

[Gramsci]

He hasn’t been dogshit.
They’re not his rabble.
I’m glad we have a former DPP to try and sort this disgusting clusterfuck out.

Ive read mixed view on his time as a DPP. Read this a while back before the won the leadership. Written by a Barrister. Says he did a reasonable job. But his talks to media whilst DPP gave the writer cause for concern about how he would act if leader.

Starmer’s enthusiasm while DPP for using mundane news events to feed the press with rightwing talking points is a possible concern for Labour members. If such a leader was faced with news of an injustice in the future – the consequence of a change to immigration rules, say, or of a strike in public services – Starmer’s approach to the press as DPP might raise worries that he would not give a principled defence of the victims but would tell the press whatever it wanted to hear.

Keir Starmer’s past is coming under scrutiny. What can we learn from it? | David Renton

A leftwing lawyer was an odd choice to be director of public prosecutions, and some of his decisions were questionable, says David Renton, a political activist and barrister

www.theguardian.com

 

[killer b]

Not that urban is the real world either

nothing like it, and no claims ever made that it was.

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

Ive read mixed view on his time as a DPP. Read this a while back before the won the leadership. Written by a Barrister. Says he did a reasonable job. But his talks to media whilst DPP gave the writer cause for concern about how he would act if leader.

Yeah, I’ve read that, thanks.

I have liked starmer since I saw McLibel years ago (highly recommended documentary - on YouTube).

so I am “biased” - but if he does end up fucking everything up I will be thoroughly miserable, but won’t double down on it.

however, even those that aren’t as “enamoured” with him as I am - let’s give the new labour leader a chance (not aimed at anyone in particular).

 

[sleaterkinney]

.

 

[8ball]

Is he totally free of anti-Semitic rumours?
It's just that I had a dream where all the right-wing press were calling him "Der Starmer".

 

[Gramsci]

Not that urban is the real world either

I keep giving you my experiences of the "real" world of Lambeth and inner London.

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

I keep giving you my experiences of the "real" world of Lambeth and inner London.

And I read them and said I wasn’t condoning any of those councillors’ behaviour - they should have got behind Corbyn.

 

[Gramsci]

And I read them and said I wasn’t condoning any of those councillors’ behaviour - they should have got behind Corbyn.

That wasnt the main point I was making. The New Labour Cllrs see Starmer as the candidate who will move the party back to them.

The local party is divided between two camps who imo arent reconcilable due to political differences.

The leaked report shows that the political gulf between these two groups in the party at a national level mirrors what its like in Lambeth. Imo it is unbridgeable gap.

So Starmer is not going to have an easy time of it as leader. I don't see how he going to unite the party.

Maybe he hopes a lot of members will leave. Like they did with Blair.

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

That wasnt the main point I was making. The New Labour Cllrs see Starmer as the candidate who will move the party back to them.

The local party is divided between two camps who imo arent reconcilable due to political differences.

The leaked report shows that the political gulf between these two groups in the party at a national level mirrors what its like in Lambeth. Imo it is unbridgeable gap.

So Starmer is not going to have an easy time of it as leader. I don't see how he going to unite the party.

Maybe he hopes a lot of members will leave. Like they did with Blair.

Just out of interest, what did the two camps think of Miliband?

 

[Gramsci]

Just out of interest, what did the two camps think of Miliband?

Im talking about now not some time long gone.

Ive already said my New Labour Cllrs loyally supported all recent leaders- Blair, Brown and Miliband. Corbyn no.

So on Miliband , even if they didnt approve of him and thought his brother should have got the leadership, they didnt say anything publicly. Corbyn they loathed. That wasn't supposed to happen. It was an unfortunate interlude and can they now have the party back is the attitude.

For a lot of the new younger members Miliband is ancient history.

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

Im talking about now not some time long gone.

Ive already said my New Labour Cllrs loyally supported all recent leaders- Blair, Brown and Miliband. Corbyn no.

So on Miliband , even if they didnt approve of him and thought his brother should have got the leadership, they didnt say anything publicly. Corbyn they loathed. That wasn't supposed to happen. It was an unfortunate interlude and can they now have the party back is the attitude.

For a lot of the new younger members Miliband is ancient history.

I live in Lambeth. Maybe I’ll come along to something.

 

[killer b]

The blairites hated miliband, and are mostly likely sitting on their hands with Starmer. He's got a world of shit to eat if he wants them to stay onside.

 

[Proper Tidy]

The right will take him while they think there is a threat from the left and starmer and the soft left will take the right for the same reason. Miliband was of a time and a place where they thought the left were an irrelevance (they were) so the soft left were the enemy. Sure they will be cats in a bag behind the scenes obv but they, the #labourdoorstep liberal social club types, soft left to progress, the people for who being a labour member is an identity in itself, basically all have political PTSD after the last few years

 

[8ball]

Bloody Ed Miliband. Such a likeable guy.
We needed someone with a real taste for blood.

 

[Serge Forward]

Starmer and the defeat of Corbynism

 

[redsquirrel]

The blairites hated miliband, and are mostly likely sitting on their hands with Starmer. He's got a world of shit to eat if he wants them to stay onside.

Which IMO is partly why he's brought people like Phillips etc in the frontbench, helps mute, or at least lesson, criticisms.

TBF while I wouldn't go as far as fakeplasticgirl in defending his performance it's not a easy line (electorally) for any opposition.
For a start the government is getting a whole load of free publicity and to that there is the "beyond politics" crowd which for Starmer needs to be appealed to. His response has been shit but is there any opposition that is faring well, COVID-19 has boost governments polling across the world.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Surely taking clear opportunities offered by media commentators to criticise the govt on specific issue of not providing PPE to frontline NHS staff is a given though, however much govt is boosted at moment in a straight fight with NHS it will lose. I don't buy that labour focusing criticism on this single issue at this point would backfire - we're all in this together but our NHS staff on the frontline are the people making the greatest sacrifice and they deserve equipment that will reduce the risks they face is a clear and obvious line to take .

I do agree any opposition has to tread carefully but labour also needs to balance that with not allowing the govt is beyond reproach stance to become entrenched

 

[Proper Tidy]

And if you start with this then it makes future attacks on tories cutting NHS to bone - which already has a significant audience - much easier to launch

 

[redsquirrel]

Oh yeah he's been crap even on his own limited terms, but any opposition leader was going to have a hard time.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Even putting aside the politics of the shift to the right, its clear that starmer is going to be a drippy beige managerial type. I find it difficult to imagine a worse possible labour leader at present, wrong politics and wrong character. Even some dickhead like jess phillips would be more effective on account of having some bite and ability to ruffle feathers

 

[redsquirrel]

Yes the main people that he'll appeal look to be swing Lab-LibDem voters, precisely the constituency they don't need.

 

[killer b]

This isn't a prediction or an endorsement, but I think the current crisis could have some very unpredictable effects on politics - one possible effect I think could be a temporary revival of mildly redistributive social-democrat managerialism, the first stirrings of which we're currently witnessing with Starmer's election. It's not my politics, but I'm not going to say it's doomed to electoral failure yet.

 

[FiFi]

This isn't a prediction or an endorsement, but I think the current crisis could have some very unpredictable effects on politics - one possible effect I think could be a temporary revival of mildly redistributive social-democrat managerialism, the first stirrings of which we're currently witnessing with Starmer's election. It's not my politics, but I'm not going to say it's doomed to electoral failure yet.

I'm so worn out by working in the NHS for the last 10 years, I'll take this for now.

 

[brogdale]

...one possible effect I think could be a temporary revival of mildly redistributive social-democrat managerialism...

Like Sunak's budget?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Like Sunak's budget?

Which one?