Diane Abbott suspended as Labour MP.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Blair disliked Livingstone intensely. He let him back in out of recognition that Livingstone had developed a power base and was likely to win again.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Absolutely this. There are loads of clueless twats saying stupid things in the Starmer ranks. That's not a cause for exclusion if you're loyal.
lazythursday
Well-Known Member
I think it's absolutely true that plenty of swing voters hate Abbott and have swallowed a media narrative about her being a thick angry black woman, but that narrative hasn't emerged solely due to her own actions. It's been inspired by a racist and misogynist campaign against her, including from plenty of Starmer's allies - eg all that detail from the WhatsApps in the Forde report that no-one has ever been held to account for.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I think you are just skimming over the obvious facts tbh . Even worse what has her apparent 'tendency to appear to be clueless and say dumb shit.' got anything to do with it? Have you seen other Labour Party MPs interviewed recently ?
skyscraper101
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Yeah but saying "Jewish people are not subjected to the same racism as some other minorities" is quite the line to cross. I mean after everything Labour had gone through re: antisemitism, on top of her previous, she handed that one to Starmer on a plate.
She’s not actually wrong, though. And just because things are not the same, doesn’t mean they can then be compared on a simple good/bad axis. Sometimes things are qualitatively different and need to be understood on their own terms in their own context. Sometimes the whole point of noting that they aren’t the same is to recognise that they can’t be compared on a good/bad axis.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Not necessarily. If someone's sticking their fork into your food all day long, they're likely to find something of some sort. You can argue she should have been more careful, but if it hadn't been that it would have been something else.
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tim
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Look at the Deform Party and the host of Fascist cunts on GBNews and Twitter and it's quite clearly true. Just replace Muslims or Islamic with Jews or Jewish and you'll see how true it is.
skyscraper101
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I know, I understand that. But that's the kind of context that immediately gets removed by the press and suddenly it's all 'Abbot in dodgy race comment' territory again. I'm not saying it's right but it is the kind of thing that ends up with Corbyn being perceived as 'antisemitic' - I mean we all know he isn't - but that's how it gets spun.
Starmer evidently decided that he wasn't prepared to go there again, and that's where we are.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I'm wondering how many of the incoming tranche of MPs will come from the people in HQ at the time - the actually antisemitic ones who delayed the investigations into antisemitism to make Corbyn look bad.
And we shouldn't forget that in this context 'left wing' means 'democratic socialists wanting to try an updated Postwar Social Contract that was so fucking successful for a good 30 years and is likely the final chance there will be to try it.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
We are at odds here and theres a lot of goal post-shifting. I initially responded to your view that she was unpopular ' amongst the wider swing electorate' what ever they are , then we've had your view that her 'apparent ' tendency to appear to be clueless and say dumb shit' was the issue , now you feel that the issue that she was originally suspended for is the issue. The investigation has allegedly been dealt with and she has undertaken what has been asked, if this is true then why isn't she involved in the selection process in her own constituency? If its not true then why has such a straightforward investigation taken for so long ?
Neither the delay in the process or the length of suspension or the rumoured sanction she received are proportionate to her not being permitted to seek candidature from her local constituency party for the general election. Neither are your allegations that that she might not be popular with swing voters or your opinion that she 'tendency to appear to be clueless and say dumb shit' sufficient reasons for how this has shamelessly ended up.
You might want to dismiss any issue of racism or political bias against her however I think you might find that her constituents will thnk differently.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
'yeah but' is the best bit of that post and if you had an ounce of sense you'd have stopped there. have you read the forde report? perhaps you should do before you dig yourself deeper.
I live in her constituency. I'm not particularly keen on Abbott and have never voted for her (or Labour for that matter) in the 14 years I've been in Hackney.
I do think though she's been very badly and unfairly treated and my sense is that that's a common sentiment round here and ascribed to racism by a lot of people.
skyscraper101
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Well they're all the issue. I do believe she isn't popular in swing constituencies. That's been exacerbated by stuff she's said, and part of that issue is the most recent example of her comments on 'different types of racism' - now while I don't believe it's right or fair to prolong any disciplinary process, I think Starmer is playing for time to work out what's in his best interests. That's all I'm saying. I'm not agreeing with the process.
Genuinely I don't know. I can only speculate it's because there's serious consideration being given to the merits of her regaining the whip or standing her down permanently. I don't know, I'm simply speculating.
I agree. My regard of her shouldn't have anything to do with it. But I don't know what the rationale is. My speculation is that they're still weighing up the risk/reward of keeping her or deselecting her. Something they should've sorted ages ago. Again, I'm not endorsing it.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I'm the same, I have always been very critical of the Labour left including Corbyn and Abbott. It says something about the political shift on these boards that I now end up defending them from the centrists. At the end of the day their criticism isn't just about them it's with anyone who identifies as daring to think that some form of change than the mediocre ambition of Starmer is possible or even desirable.
I know. It's really depressing. If she does get kicked out and stands as an independent, I may even consider bloody voting for her. Ffs.
skyscraper101
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It’s over
www.telegraph.co.uk
General election 2024: Diane Abbott given Labour whip back 'but banned from standing'
Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate at the general election, according to reports.
www.telegraph.co.uk
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Starmer's vindictiveness appears to be creating a small, ready-made democratic socialist party in North London.It’s over
General election 2024: Diane Abbott given Labour whip back 'but banned from standing'
Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate at the general election, according to reports.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Assuming she chooses to stand.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Indeed, but I'd imagine that Corbyn's decision makes it more likely that she'd stand against her lifelong party; if he can...
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Apparently, acccording to Novara right now, Diane has been excluded and isn't allowed to stand.
Disgraceful
Disgraceful
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Thank you for telling us after several other posters broke the news.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
I'm not sure. Corbyn has a streak of sheer bloody-mindedness in him, but I'm not sure Abbott does. She's more likely to actually think about what's best for her constituents, which isn't her running as an indy and then getting thoroughly ignored in Parliament.
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