nino_savatte
No pasaran!
It's a case of who blinks first.
Diane Abbott suspended as Labour MP.
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She blinked a year ago.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
You think so?
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Not sure he does tbh. He's very likely to be the next PM in a few weeks.
He does like punching down though, and I'm sure he'll get stuck into doing just that once he's got the keys to the door.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
(((Larry the Cat)))
She apologised unreservedly (not that I think an apology was warranted, but that’s by the by). What more does blinking involve? Public self-flagellation?
Diane Abbott: Labour race row probe finished last year
BBC Newsnight learns the MP was given a formal warning despite Labour saying it is still investigating.
www.bbc.co.uk
A two hour online training course course sounds like one of those things you can just click through in 15 mins with a piss easy multiple choice quiz at the end. Impossible to fail.
This detail though. Facepalm
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
I imagine they are now wanting her to agree to write a furious denunciation of Jeremy Corbyn and spend the entire election campaigning in Islington North for the labour candidate before she gets the go-ahead to stand.
ska invita
back on the other side
has there been a Labour nomination process for Hackney North?
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
So when Starmer said, last Thursday, that Abbott's inquiry result is due by 4th June, totally coincidentally the same date as the last day for Labour's deadline for it's final selection candidates,
www.theguardian.com
...he was lying?
Quelle surprise.
Diane Abbott’s inquiry result due day Labour candidate selections close
Outcome of lengthy investigation of MP’s racism comments will be completed by 4 June, Keir Starmer says
...he was lying?
Quelle surprise.
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andysays
Love and solidarity
Not publicly
Yes, I wouldn't put it past them to come up with 'here's one we prepared earlier far, far away from the CLP' on the 4th of June.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
very grim - I can see Labour denying her the right to stand - which is a sad way for her time as a Labour MP to end. I can't see her running as an independent tbh and #doingaCorbyn . She should have been allowed to just announce that she wouldn't be running in the election if that was her decision.
ska invita
back on the other side
I deeply despise these kind of procedural boardroom-style fucking-about bureaucratic-dictatorship methods... through painful experience I've really settled on the importance of procedural-anarchism, as in watertight rules that hardwire justice and curtail powergrabs through a rulebook.... when managerial-Stalinists play these games it makes my blood boil
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
fairly obvious starmer doesn't want her standing. Again another mess of his own making. Could have resolved this months ago. Had he kicked her out then, there would have been ire but it would have burnt out, somewhat, by now. Instead, right in the middle of the election, Starmer puts himself at odds with his own party and comes off looking bad. Doesn't matter which said you take it will look bad and be a gift to the Tories who need all the help they can get. Starmer will give it to them
ska invita
back on the other side
Sad fact is this makes no difference to the wider world....Tories aren't about to start defending Diane anymore than they are about to complain about all the other purges. Starmer will get away with this as they have gotten away with everything else. This is highly effective internal party discipline.
Diane has a good chance to win as an independent, this time around at least, but its a calculated loss by Labour, they can afford the seats
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You've changed your tune from the days when you shilled for shammer. Suppose this is the zeal of the unconverted
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Suppose everyone needs a hobby.
But that would've given her time to openly organise standing as an independent (if she wanted to). Doing it like this means if she does stand as an independent, she's on the back foot.
And publicity about it will be less than it would've been if there wasn't a GE campaign going on.
(I mean I'm sure she's been organising behind the scenes if she does want to stand but 'openly' is important in terms of getting the message out/giving her side of the story etc.)
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Starmer’s put himself in a lose-lose situation. If he throws her out and forces her to stand as an independent, that will piss off a lot of Labour supporters and stir up divisions that the press will exploit, if he puts her back in it’ll be portrayed as weakness, highlight her presence in the party to the public (many of whom, unfairly or not, see her as incompetent and a liability) and lead to attacks here.
If she’d already been let back in ages ago (and she really should have been) it simply wouldn’t be a factor in the GE, she’s not a shadow minister or anything and would have been barely noticed.
If she’d already been let back in ages ago (and she really should have been) it simply wouldn’t be a factor in the GE, she’s not a shadow minister or anything and would have been barely noticed.
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
He's playing for time. Let her back in now and he's got a potential liability on his hands longer than he needs which the right wing press will leap on. Sack her now and he'll be dealing with the fallout the other way, exactly when he needs the campaign not to be about Dianne Abbott.
Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of this, Abbott isn't exactly popular among the wider swing electorate and won't be doing Labour any favours by being on the team. So either he's calculating the best time to sack her, or the best time to let her in. Which is now seemingly at the last possible moment.
Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of this, Abbott isn't exactly popular among the wider swing electorate and won't be doing Labour any favours by being on the team. So either he's calculating the best time to sack her, or the best time to let her in. Which is now seemingly at the last possible moment.
ska invita
back on the other side
a reminder of the 2019 election result in Hackney North
everyone knows who Diane is and I think it is very likely she will win as an independent, even if the campaign will be a bit slow to get off the ground
ETA: Checked and seems to be that she's held the seat since 1987! I think thats correct
everyone knows who Diane is and I think it is very likely she will win as an independent, even if the campaign will be a bit slow to get off the ground
ETA: Checked and seems to be that she's held the seat since 1987! I think thats correct
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Incompetent is strong, but she is a liability and the reason she was suspended proves it. I know she's a very long standing member who's been a part of the faithful for forever, no matter the leader and is quite popular with her own constituents. But she is still a liability on the national stage. An ideal solution would have been to "retire" Abbott to local politics. I reckon she could walk mayor of Hackney without blinking.
I think she can win as an independent, but I don't see how that actually helps anyone. Least of all herself.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Is there a league table of MP’s popularity amongst the wider swing electorate?
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Lib Dems the only party with a chance of taking the seat then.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yep, as detailed on the Corbyn thread, in a safe seat like this one, she'd only need to take just over half of the Labour vote to win, and for a long-standing, high-profile MP with a decent record locally, historically that has been very doable.
ska invita
back on the other side
Some safe seats the residents would scratch their heads to name their Labour MP....not here.
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