Silas Loom
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Damaged goods?
Diane Abbott suspended as Labour MP.
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Damaged goods?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Nothing in it for the Tories to ally with a minority Labour govt. If a hung parliament were to happen, that would exceed all Tory expectations right now. They'd be pleased, and they'd surely be doing all they could to topple the government asap, not to prop it up.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
given the labour party's usp is being the tories but more efficient it's more remote even than a dream
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
A hung parliament with a coalition means the Gang of Four has very little chance of influencing anything. A hung parliament with a confidence and supply Labour government is essentially the same outcome. For the leftists of that type to have any chance of influence they'd need 30-40 MPs. And given the utter inability for the left to organise themselves properly even when they ran the party I wouldn't bet money of that working either.
In short, it's a pipe dream to think those four MPs will be the tail wagging the dog.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
when did leftists run the labour party? it's another pile of steaming kid eternity shit
kalidarkone
Bringing YOU round.....
Yes plus poorer outcomes for Black/POC in maternity services.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Actually, there was a substantial increase in the Conservative vote in the 2017 General Election, under the leadership of May, compared the 2015 General Election under Cameron
Conservative 2015: 11,299,609 votes = 36.8%
Conservative 2017: 13,636,684 votes = 42.3%
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
And the collapse of ukip
RevolutionSound
Well-Known Member
I was thinking Entertainment!
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Collapse of UKIP explains just about all of it. 12 percentage points to be shared out among the other parties, mostly going to the Tories (who had virtually turned themselves into UKIP by 2017), some to Labour. While the Tories increased their vote by 6 percentage points, Labour increased theirs by 10. Turnout was up a little, but not by much.
That the Tory vote went up isn't really relevant. In England, it had turned back into virtually a two-horse race in 2017.
May was lucky that a) the stupid system we have gave her a disproportionately high number of seats (Labour's seats were roughly proportionate), and b) the DUP were there to push them just over the line (nobody else was going to work with them). It was a desperately close-run thing.
PTK
Paul Kegan
It was the increase in the Conservative vote in some Red Wall seats under May in 2017 that the Conervatives under Johnson built on in 2019. In terms of increasing the Conservative vote, May was a success.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I don't really buy that. Labour closed the gap from 6 percentage points in 2015 to 2 in 2017. May very very nearly blew it and lost power. Yes, the 'Red Wall' fell in 2019 due to Brexit, and May had already picked up some of those voters in 2017 because of Brexit. But I don't see that in and of itself as success.
As it was, it was Labour who blew it between 2017 and 2019. With hindsight, if they had got behind something like the Common Market 2.0 idea, I think they could have done a lot better (and Brexit would have been far less of a fuck up than it turned out to be). In the end, who even knew what Labour's Brexit plan was? I didn't. They allowed the Tories to dictate what 'real Brexit' really meant and we ended up with just about the worst Brexit we could possibly have had. We're all paying for it now.
PTK
Paul Kegan
How can it not be a success to increase the vote for a party? If the distribution of the votes has been different, May would have had a majority, and no-one would have said she was a failure.
Corbyn was very successful, in that the Labour Party received its largest increase in the vote share since 1945.
Fozzie Bear
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GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
Hackney responds to the decision of Sir Keir Starmer KCB KC MP to suspend Diane Abbott from the parliamentary Labour Party for nearly eleven months while his officials "investigate" a two paragraph letter which was 7-8 sentences in length, following the news this week that the Conservative Party's principal financial donor has called for her assassination:
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It can be a failure to increase your vote share if another party's vote share increases more. Number of Tory MPs went down, not up.
But elections are ultimately about winning power, so while he did well, Corbyn still lost. While she did badly, May still won. Tories are still in power seven years later, after all. Fine margins.
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
A further opportunity for Sir Keir Starmer KCB KC MP to explain his decision to suspend Diane Abbott from the parliamentary Labour Party for nearly eleven months while his officials "investigate" a two paragraph letter which was 7-8 sentences in length, following the recent news that the Conservative Party's principal financial donor has called for her assassination ...
... that's if he's not too busy campaigning about the embroidery on football shirts.
‘I’ll stay an MP for as long as I can’: Diane Abbott’s tumultuous political journey
The long read: Britain’s first black female MP faced hostility from the media and political establishment from the start. Nearly 40 years on, she is still not giving up
headline could be read to say Abbott will be standing in the next general election as an independent, but don't think that's what was necessarily meant.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Two stiking photos from the article - and presumably the book‘I’ll stay an MP for as long as I can’: Diane Abbott’s tumultuous political journey
The long read: Britain’s first black female MP faced hostility from the media and political establishment from the start. Nearly 40 years on, she is still not giving upwww.theguardian.com
headline could be read to say Abbott will be standing in the next general election as an independent, but don't think that's what was necessarily meant.
The book is a bit beyond my normal price range but the article reads well.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Headline would be better if she'd said "as long as my constituents want me".‘I’ll stay an MP for as long as I can’: Diane Abbott’s tumultuous political journey
The long read: Britain’s first black female MP faced hostility from the media and political establishment from the start. Nearly 40 years on, she is still not giving up
headline could be read to say Abbott will be standing in the next general election as an independent, but don't think that's what was necessarily meant.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Good to see some mention of the Hackney Conservative Party HQ being burned down in that:
hackneyhistory.wordpress.com
Has anyone read the authorised biography? I should probably do that https://www.amazon.co.uk/Diane-Abbo...d=1714038500&sprefix=diane+abb,aps,350&sr=8-1
Did anarchists torch Tories’ Hackney HQ in 1987?
1. What Happened? The building in question was 27 Stamford Hill, which is now a posh nursery. It caught fire in the early hours of Wednesday 3rd June 1987, eight days before the general election. T…
hackneyhistory.wordpress.com
Has anyone read the authorised biography? I should probably do that https://www.amazon.co.uk/Diane-Abbo...d=1714038500&sprefix=diane+abb,aps,350&sr=8-1
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Christ there is another Diane memoir out in September too https://www.amazon.co.uk/Woman-Like...&pd_rd_r=2ef1748b-7dde-42d8-85ee-81963bcbcdf9
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
The right honourable gentleman caught the Whigs bathing, and walked away with their clothes. He has left them in the full enjoyment of their liberal positions, and he is himself a strict conservative of their garments.
Benjamin Disraeli
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Why does Sir Keith keep punching himself in the knackers?
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