It talks specifically about the RSE curriculum so it shouldn't apply to library books or materials. Give this fucking shower another couple of years though and banning books from schools in the name of free speech wouldn't surprise me. Stonewall don't teach kids directly but do train teachers and provide lesson plans and things, but Annex B of the new guidelines specifically recommends Stonewall lesson plans and resources so presumably the DfE feel they are compliant with the rules. Mermaids seem to think they are compliant as well although have pointed out they don't do much work in schools and don't provide education or training directly to schoolkids.
DfE says no more anti-capitalist teaching in England.
- Thread starter planetgeli
- Start date
It talks specifically about the RSE curriculum so it shouldn't apply to library books or materials. Give this fucking shower another couple of years though and banning books from schools in the name of free speech wouldn't surprise me. Stonewall don't teach kids directly but do train teachers and provide lesson plans and things, but Annex B of the new guidelines specifically recommends Stonewall lesson plans and resources so presumably the DfE feel they are compliant with the rules. Mermaids seem to think they are compliant as well although have pointed out they don't do much work in schools and don't provide education or training directly to schoolkids.
Tbh I don't think the guidelines really have the power to change anything on the ground except potentially make head teachers wary about using any external agencies which lean to the left. It's important people in education know these guidelines only apply to RSE and are not mandatory because I think creating confusion is probably part of the point.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I guess it was only a matter of time before the bastard Tories started copying their Russian oligarch scum-chums.
I was given the impression that it applied to citizenship classes. Or is it the case that it's just one part of citizenship classes?
Nope, it's RSE, see here: Plan your relationships, sex and health curriculum
It's very peculiar, I'm picturing some junior DfE Minister frantically typing at 3 in the morning raging about black lives matter and thinking I may not be able to jail the bastards but I can recommend to headteachers that they shouldn't be allowed to teach sex education, don't try and stop me.
Just seen your other posts. Does come across as really weird that the government are doing this in this way.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Worth noting that, although the scourge of revolutionary communist LGBT charities is covered, the word "consent" only appears once, and not in the context you would be looking for.
I must confess to watching them discuss this on Novara Media yesterday. They said on there that RSE is part of broader citizenship classes (PSHRE - Personal Social Health and Relationship Education). So they see this as affecting citizenship classes and not just RSE and said these were dictats, not just guidelines.
Whether that is the case though I don't know for sure tbh.
Whether that is the case though I don't know for sure tbh.
To be fair consent is covered in the statutory guidelines which schools have to follow, there's a set of powerpoint slides which cover it here: Teacher training: intimate and sexual relationships, including sexual health
It's not very good though tbh, all very dry and based on what the law says rather than talking about things like enthusiastic consent and the potential for coercion.
I do, they are wrong, RSA and PSHE are different things now and I'm pretty sure Schoolsweek are right and that the statutory guidelines here are, well statutory, and this weekend's statement was just a recommendation. It kind of concedes that in the intro saying:
It's still taking the piss though. Statutory RSE education is live, and was supposed to start on September 1st or whenever schools went back after Summer although there's been wriggle room introduced because of Covid. To confuse everyone and introduce a load of new guidelines, that aren't mandatory but sort of look a bit mandatory after some schools will have started delivery is pretty shambolic and that they seem to have done it to largely make unrelated political points and have a vague dig at trans people is even shitter. That's the story. But it takes more than reading a few outraged tweets to get there.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
But these non-statutory guidelines run to thousands of words, without even a passing reference to consent.
That's probably because schools are supposed to refer to the statutory guidelines when drawing up the curriculum, loads of the statutory stuff isn't covered in the new recommendations, this is just a load of new stuff they've tacked on at the last minute, but it is very confusing.
It’s certainly an argument against State controlled education.
There is of course loads of politics in education. The entire edifice is political in the broadest sense. My kids PSE education has been fairly strongly left wing since the end of Primary, with lots of ‘liberal’ sex and relationship education, and more lately gender ID stuff (the teachers sign their emails ‘my gender pronouns are...’ which is pretty fucking weird when your asking for feedback on Maths and not enquiring about their gender
). Gender ID doesn’t seem to be a big issue among the kids tho or at least not visible.
There’s also been lots on American (but not British) civil rights movement. Recently read I’m no longer talking to White people about race’ and it was not only incredibly instructional about systematic racism, but also made the point that uk civil rights is completely ignored, although my kids will happily tell you about Rosa Parks, MLK, Mandela etc. My kids school is a Stephen Lawrence approved school though. For reference, my two went to inner city Primary and mixed secondary in pretty deprived area, both high BAME populations mostly British-Asian and Black British alongside wwc.
XR isn’t really a thing, and none of the kids I know give a shit.
There is of course loads of politics in education. The entire edifice is political in the broadest sense. My kids PSE education has been fairly strongly left wing since the end of Primary, with lots of ‘liberal’ sex and relationship education, and more lately gender ID stuff (the teachers sign their emails ‘my gender pronouns are...’ which is pretty fucking weird when your asking for feedback on Maths and not enquiring about their gender
). Gender ID doesn’t seem to be a big issue among the kids tho or at least not visible.There’s also been lots on American (but not British) civil rights movement. Recently read I’m no longer talking to White people about race’ and it was not only incredibly instructional about systematic racism, but also made the point that uk civil rights is completely ignored, although my kids will happily tell you about Rosa Parks, MLK, Mandela etc. My kids school is a Stephen Lawrence approved school though. For reference, my two went to inner city Primary and mixed secondary in pretty deprived area, both high BAME populations mostly British-Asian and Black British alongside wwc.
XR isn’t really a thing, and none of the kids I know give a shit.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
You can understand why they do this, though. For civil rights as regard race, the modern histories of the US and SA can be woven into dramatic, compelling and comforting stories with key events, attractive heroes and an unproblematic moral themes, even if it might require simplifying things. For the UK, you really need to explore empire and xenophobia, which is a lot more complex, and we don't really have the same drama, even if you look hard.
Yeah. The fact that empire is not even mentioned, let alone taught, afaik, is probably one of the most politicised aspects of our kids educations.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Yes, I don't remember anything about it from school, except that India produced cotton. I learned more from my granddad, who went to Burma and wouldn't shut up about it. Weird considering how completely central it is to a long period of British history.
I think a lot of people just think of the story in the UK as starting with some people arriving from random countries and everyone taking a while to get over the surprise. Not necessarily just white people, either.
I think a lot of people just think of the story in the UK as starting with some people arriving from random countries and everyone taking a while to get over the surprise. Not necessarily just white people, either.
purves grundy
ambient clown remix
Kids won't be allowed to bring this in on the last day of term 
www.frieze.com
(Apologies for the misleading title, Ollman fans)
Simon Denny and Joanna Pope's Board Game for Class Warfare
Take advantage of 'crisitunities' to defend the rights of workers - or exploit them
(Apologies for the misleading title, Ollman fans)
Similar threads
