Delyn MP Rob Roberts

[PR1Berske]

Bet it is nine days ...

See, this is always likely. And, while I'm here, the first recall petition failed because less than the required 10% signed it, so there's no guarantee. Encouragingly, the two successes have been in really obvious cases: one of an RTA that came a bizarre court-based psychodrama, and one of expenses fraud, so I do have faith in the good people of Delyn to do the right thing. I might cobble together a barchart from recent by-election threads just in case.

 

[existentialist]

Seriously what is it with these people?

Entitlement.

 

[Sue]

Another one. FFS, is there any man with a modicum of power* who isn't a sex pest?

*Yes, I know of course there are/most are but some days....

 

[brogdale]

See, this is always likely. And, while I'm here, the first recall petition failed because less than the required 10% signed it, so there's no guarantee. Encouragingly, the two successes have been in really obvious cases: one of an RTA that came a bizarre court-based psychodrama, and one of expenses fraud, so I do have faith in the good people of Delyn to do the right thing. I might cobble together a barchart from recent by-election threads just in case.

The N. Antrim, 2018 recall petition fell just 444 signatures short of the required 7543.

 

[PR1Berske]

Delyn 1997-present.

 

[PR1Berske]

32 page report concludes :

We recommend that the Responder is suspended from the service of the House
for six weeks

Full report here :

https://www.parliament.uk/globalassets/mps-lords--offices/standards-and-financial-interests/independent-expert-panel/hc-245---the-conduct-of-mr-rob-roberts-mp.pdf

This now looks clear there will be a recall petition in his constituency. A by-election can only happen if he resigns beforehand, or the petition passes.

 

[elbows]

And a news item about some of those details:

Rob Roberts: Conservative MP told staffer to be 'less alluring'

Tory MP faces six-week suspension from Parliament after panel found he sexually harassed an employee.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[brogdale]

Way things are atm, if they got the 10% for recall, what's the betting that the vermin would increase their majority with another candidate?

 

[killer b]

Way things are atm, if they got the 10% for recall, what's the betting that the vermin would increase their majority with another candidate?

it's in wales so I dunno. could easily go the other way.

 

[brogdale]

it's in wales so I dunno. could easily go the other way.

Fair point, but isn't it in the bit that went tory 2 weeks ago?

 

[killer b]

Fair point, but isn't it in the bit that went tory 2 weeks ago?

Labour won the Delyn constituency, fairly comfortably. I dunno how the senedd constituency maps onto westminster though

 

[killer b]

(looking at some maps I think it's the same boundaries)

 

[brogdale]

Labour won the Delyn constituency, fairly comfortably. I dunno how the senedd constituency maps onto westminster though

Yeah, you're right...the tory Senedd gain was in Vale of Clwyd which is the constituency next door to Delyn.

But who knows how this might pan out these days?

 

[killer b]

I would be fairly confident of Labour taking it back if there's a by-election tbh.

 

[Sasaferrato]

One may hope that he does the proper thing and resigns.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

One may hope that he does the proper thing and resigns.

He's a Tory MP, so bound to do the decent thing

 

[brogdale]

I would be fairly confident of Labour taking it back if there's a by-election tbh.

If I were a betting man, I'm not sure I'd put much £ on it, though!

 

[killer b]

What have the tories got on their side here? I can't see it myself - they have a wafer thin majority in a trad Labour seat that Labour have made demonstrable gains in since 2019. The MP is a sex pest, there was no big 2019 brexit party vote to fold into the tory vote, plus the BP vote doesn't seem to be reliably going tory in Wales anyway...

 

[brogdale]

What have the tories got on their side here? I can't see it myself - they have a wafer thin majority in a trad Labour seat that Labour have made demonstrable gains in since 2019. The MP is a sex pest, there was no big 2019 brexit party vote to fold into the tory vote, plus the BP vote doesn't seem to be reliably going tory in Wales anyway...

Yes, all makes sense...but in the context of a by-election (& all of the attention, activism and exposure that brings) in a period of Tory ascendancy in the national polling, I wouldn't be so sure of the electoral logic.

 

[PR1Berske]

Turns out there can't be a recall petition because of a loophole.

Here's the discussion on another forum...

Parliamentary By-Elections - Rumoured and Ramped | Vote UK Forum

Portsmouth South As-yet unconfirmed by any of the major news organisations, but apparently Mike Hancock has resigned his seat.

vote-2012.proboards.com

 

[brogdale]

After all, this would not be Welsh Labour campaigning for the Senedd, if it ever came to a by-election, this would be another Starmer parachutist peddling vacuous emptiness of New New Labour.

Would have to be a danger that LP supporters wouldn't bother to turn out for that.

 

[brogdale]

Turns out there can't be a recall petition because of a loophole.

Here's the discussion on another forum...

Parliamentary By-Elections - Rumoured and Ramped | Vote UK Forum

Portsmouth South As-yet unconfirmed by any of the major news organisations, but apparently Mike Hancock has resigned his seat.

vote-2012.proboards.com

That's pretty shabby.

 

[Sasaferrato]

He's a Tory MP, so bound to do the decent thing

Like Eric Joyce you mean?

Joyce was arrested five times during his last five years as an MP, most notably in February 2012 on suspicion of assault after an incident in the Houses of Parliament. This led to his immediate suspension from the Labour Party, before pleading guilty to all charges and resigning from the party the following month. He continued representing his constituency as an independent until retiring at the 2015 general election.

Deplorable behaviour is not limited to Conservatives.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Turns out there can't be a recall petition because of a loophole.

Here's the discussion on another forum...

Parliamentary By-Elections - Rumoured and Ramped | Vote UK Forum

Portsmouth South As-yet unconfirmed by any of the major news organisations, but apparently Mike Hancock has resigned his seat.

vote-2012.proboards.com

Fucking hell!

 

[PR1Berske]

Fucking hell!

Turns out you can be found guilty by the wrong Committee!

 

[Sasaferrato]

Turns out you can be found guilty by the wrong Committee!

Absolutely fucking unbelievable.

It is time that MPs had a code of conduct that mirrors real life, not the gilded chambers of Westminster.

Had any one of us behaved like that at work, our arse would have been out the door within the hour.

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[brogdale]

So who was it that decided he'd be dealt with by the 'expert panel' rather than the standards committee?

 

[killer b]

So who was it that decided he'd be dealt with by the 'expert panel' rather than the standards committee?

I read somewhere that he appealed the decision of the standards committee, so it went to the independent panel

 

[killer b]

here, it's in the graun story:

because Roberts appealed a finding against him by the parliamentary commissioner for standards, causing his case to be referred to the IEP, the formal process under the Recall of MPs Act of 2015 will not be triggered.

Irwin explained: “For a recall to be initiated, the sanction must be imposed on the recommendation of the committee on standards, or another committee of the House of Commons concerned with standards of conduct. The independent expert panel is not a committee of the House of Commons.”

Tory MP Rob Roberts faces Commons suspension over sexual harassment breach

Party whip removed for Conservative after panel finds he made unwanted advances towards former staffer

www.theguardian.com