exosculate
a stagger with a beat
I keep agreeing with fucking tories!
David Davis resigns as MP over civil liberties
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Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I agree. I don't buy this 'unwritten constitution' shite that politicians like to claim we have. It's worth the paper it's written on. In what country with a proper constitution could you abolish the old system of selection for the upper house, put in an interim system while promising a new system, then just keep the 'interim' system because it benefits you to do so?Exactly. There is no constitution.
Unwritten mey arse. PM doesn't like what another democratically elected body is doing, they can just scrap it as Thatcher did with the GLC. No written constitution=no constitution.
As for the DD ploy. I don't trust him and don't trust the Tories and I'm sure they've got their own interests at heart. But I still can't help feeling glad that someone is really kicking up a fuss about the 42 days.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You are kidding yourselves. The closest this country comes to a constitution is the European Court of Human Rights.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
also gives brown and the whips more time to concoct some sweetheart deals with labour refusniks
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Thanks for you contribution - vote tory because butchersapron on U75 hasn't got a plan to save us all.
magneze
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I'd rather both politicians and people defended them tbh. Too few politicians to matter seem to be doing it and public opinion seems to be skewed the wrong way too at present. If this redresses the balance somewhat then it gets the thumbs up from me, Tory or not.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Not while the opposition play the public relations game better. He's going to have to pull some real politics out of his hat to put them in their place, and that's something he just doesn't have with the current bunch of neo-libs he has fawning on him in cabinet.
Wow.
What a very very interesting turn of events.
As I understand things Camerons initial instinct had been to support the Government on the issue of 42 days because of what was percieved as the general public support for it allied with not wanting to give the Government an excuse to paint the Conservatives as being soft on terrorism.
But Davies threatend to resign if this happened and so Cameron backed down and thus the Tories voted against it.
Fine.
But now this.
Its a stroke of bloody brilliance. By making it specifically about the 42 day issue it leaves the Labour Party either the choice of running a candidate and getting humilated OR not running one and being rightly accused of cowardice and not being willing to stand up for what it claims to believe. This later part has been at the forefront of Conservative gains ever since Brown bottled calling an election back in September 2007.
Brown must be in a state of shock over this move and having bought off the DUP and thinking he might be getting some sort of control back to being thrown into a battle which he cannot win, well it could really be the final straw for him.
Sheer genius and as somebody who voted for Davies in the Conservative leadership elections proud to have done so.
What a very very interesting turn of events.
As I understand things Camerons initial instinct had been to support the Government on the issue of 42 days because of what was percieved as the general public support for it allied with not wanting to give the Government an excuse to paint the Conservatives as being soft on terrorism.
But Davies threatend to resign if this happened and so Cameron backed down and thus the Tories voted against it.
Fine.
But now this.
Its a stroke of bloody brilliance. By making it specifically about the 42 day issue it leaves the Labour Party either the choice of running a candidate and getting humilated OR not running one and being rightly accused of cowardice and not being willing to stand up for what it claims to believe. This later part has been at the forefront of Conservative gains ever since Brown bottled calling an election back in September 2007.
Brown must be in a state of shock over this move and having bought off the DUP and thinking he might be getting some sort of control back to being thrown into a battle which he cannot win, well it could really be the final straw for him.
Sheer genius and as somebody who voted for Davies in the Conservative leadership elections proud to have done so.
magneze
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Yep, that's what I mean - each time it comes back to the Commons it can get thrown out ...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What issues do posters think DD is going to be putting at the centre of his campaign - a whole raft of anti-brown/anti labour issues or the 42 day thing? What do they think the media will concentrate on?
The most basic principle, the enemy of my enemy is not automatically my friend.
The most basic principle, the enemy of my enemy is not automatically my friend.
It's not a question of voting Tory. It's a question of seeing this stunt as the best chance there's been for some time to raise some important issues. And simply saying there are no issues because he's a Tory is throw away an opportunity.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
And you think DD is now breaking the mould? Redressing the balance out of the goodness of his heart? Please. This has nothing to do with 42 days or any other attack on civil liberites. Just look at the scumbags voting record. It's about hammering another nail in labours coffin.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
that is what the tories are supposed to do
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
If you think a tory parasiting on the issue is the best way to raise the issue then you're very wrong. It undermines any campaign in fact.
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
Perhaps he is positioning himself as leadership potential, if Cameron does not win the next general election.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Absolutely, it's a very clever political move, and shows that they're thinking on their feet. I just didn't expect so mnay people here to walk right into the trap.
Smashing aint it
And how gutted a lot of you must be. Here we have somebody not only spouting off about objecting to this 42 day thing but willing to do something about it. And he is a right wing Conservative.
Where did it all go wrong for you bolshies ?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I suggested that as soon as i heard the news - not so sure now. I think he'll be well into his 60s and potentially approaching his 70s by the election after next though.
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
Presumably Labour doesn't deserve the hammering then?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh plaease.
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
Smashing aint it
And how gutted a lot of you must be. Here we have somebody not only spouting off about objecting to this 42 day thing but willing to do something about it. And he is a right wing Conservative.
Where did it all go wrong for you bolshies ?
New Labour are bolshies?
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I can be glad that the 42 days issue will be in the headlines for the next few months without having walked into their trap.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It won't be - anti-brown/anti labour stuff will be. The 42 days issue is their cover.
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
Sorry butchers but these parties (and most all the MPs) are all utter scumbags, and I'm sick of trying to defend the relative merits of different cesspits to be honest.
magneze
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What's the best way ... or a better way? C'mon ... what should have happened here, given the events of yesterday?
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
I'll plump for a group hug!
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