Cyclists: The scourge of our streets? Anti-cyclist program on Channel 5

[Pickman's model]

Yes, but that still doesn't negate the environmental damage done by lazy cunts driving oversized 4x4 vehicles 300 metres to the shop or local school, but thanks for pointing out the obvious anyway.

UK children inhaling toxic air on school run and in classroom
Two-thirds of teachers ‘support banning cars near school gates’

is this 330 yards travel so prevalent that it is a measurable source of pollution?

e2a: neither of your links mentions the short journeys which have angered you so much

 

[Sprocket.]

If only St. Princess Diana had been a cyclist.

 

[Pickman's model]

If only St. Princess Diana had been a cyclist.

she is the patron saint of stuntmen and tunnel workers

 

[Spymaster]

Cyclist attempts to murder 4 year old boy.

 

[editor]

is this 330 yards travel so prevalent that it is a measurable source of pollution?

e2a: neither of your links mentions the short journeys which have angered you so much

But they clearly showed the negative impact that people driving their precious kids to school has on others. Shop/school runs can obviously be of different lengths, but many - if not most - could easily be walked.

Air pollution is an invisible but dangerous threat to children’s health. Toxic emissions can damage children’s growth and leave them with lasting health problems. In 71% of UK towns and cities, children are breathing unsafe levels of air pollution. Around 1 in 3 babies are growing up in areas of the UK with unsafe levels of particulate matter – that’s nearly 270,000 babies under the age of 1 in the UK

This not only violates a child’s right to health, but also their future. It could impact their right to education, their right to play and ultimately, their right to life.

This research briefing sets out new data from Queen Mary’s University London that looks at children’s exposure to air pollution across the school day.

The data finds children are disproportionately exposed to higher doses of pollution during the school run and whilst they are at school – particularly at break time when they’re in the school playground. This suggests that major gains for children’s health could be made if funding, interventions and policies were targeted to pollution reduction around schools and nurseries and on the school run itself.

Unicef UK is calling on the government to urgently fund and prioritise measures that protect children from toxic air before irreversible damage is done to their health and their futures. To support this, the government should announce a ring-fenced funding pot to pay for measures that protects children from toxic air where they learn and play.

https://www.unicef.org.uk/publications/the-toxic-school-run/

 

[Pickman's model]

But they clearly showed the negative impact that people driving their precious kids to school has on others. Shop/school runs can obviously be of different lengths, but many - if not most - could easily be walked.


https://www.unicef.org.uk/publications/the-toxic-school-run/

yes, i imagine they could. but if there really were measurable numbers of people doing this 330 yard run to the shops in polluting 4x4s i would have thought you'd have found sources to hand about the damage they were doing instead of bringing in the school run which in the great majority of cases of driving children to school isn't necessary

 

[gentlegreen]

I had my eyes opened recently when an environmental scientist colleague was installing an air quality monitor on behalf of a trades union and explained how the CO2 reading would be skewed even half a mile from a motorway.

 

[editor]

yes, i imagine they could. but if there really were measurable numbers of people doing this 330 yard run to the shops in polluting 4x4s i would have thought you'd have found sources to hand about the damage they were doing instead of bringing in the school run which in the great majority of cases of driving children to school isn't necessary

Here: Third of drivers use cars for walking-distance journeys

 

[Pickman's model]

Cyclist attempts to murder 4 year old boy.

please don't link to the sun

 

[Pickman's model]

Here: Third of drivers use cars for walking-distance journeys

but not a hint of 330 yards - half a mile's 880 yards ["The average trip to the shops is four miles, but 15 percent said they travel less than a mile to collect weekly essentials."]: and never a word about 4x4s.

 

[sunnysidedown]

as a pedestrian I tend to find that there are plenty of wankers in cars and on bicycles.

 

[editor]

but not a hint of 330 yards - half a mile's 880 yards ["The average trip to the shops is four miles, but 15 percent said they travel less than a mile to collect weekly essentials."]: and never a word about 4x4s.

 

[Pickman's model]

i thought, given the specificity of your claim

the environmental damage done by lazy cunts driving oversized 4x4 vehicles 300 metres to the shop or local school, but thanks for pointing out the obvious anyway.

that you'd have a source to support you in all parts of it

sadly not

 

[gentlegreen]

as a pedestrian I tend to find that there are plenty of wankers in cars and on bicycles.

As a cyclist I sadly have to concur. I'm rarely endangered by pedestrians.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Frau Bahn normally drives BB1 to school and back. She could take a train, but the times don't work well at all. Plus she'd bunk it as it's only one stop, so by driving Frau Bahn is actually preventing a crime

 

[Pickman's model]

Frau Bahn normally drives BB1 to school and back. She could take a train, but the times don't work well at all. Plus she'd bunk it as it's only one stop, so by driving Frau Bahn is actually preventing a crime

ah, the necessity defence

 

[editor]

i thought, given the specificity of your claimthat you'd have a source to support you in all parts of it

sadly not

Here. Just to stop your dull pedantry.

"...the environmental damage done by lazy cunts driving oversized 4x4 vehicles short distances to the shop or local school..."

 

[Pickman's model]

Here. Just to stop your dull pedantry.

"...the environmental damage done by lazy cunts driving oversized 4x4 vehicles short distances to the shop or local school..."

i think we can all get behind this now

 

[editor]

i think we can all get behind this now

Be sure to prove the case that no 4x4 drivers take short journeys, Mr Pedant. Actually don't bother. You've already sucked the life out of this thread.

 

[Pickman's model]

Be sure to prove the case that no 4x4 drivers tale short joutneys, Mr Pedant. Actually don't bother. You've already sucked the life out of this thread.

yeh. it's like pulling teeth sometimes, trying to get people to substantiate their extravagant assertions. if you'd just gone away once and found your evidence then there'd have been none of the 'but that doesn't show what you claim'.

 

[editor]

yeh. that's a common allegation laid by people who've made claims which they're reluctant to wholly source. it's like pulling teeth sometimes, trying to get people to substantiate their extravagant assertions. if you'd just gone away once and found your evidence then there'd have been none of the 'but that doesn't show what you claim'.

So show your evidence that no 4x4 drivers ever undertake short journeys. Thanks.

 

[Pickman's model]

So show your evidence that no 4x4 drivers ever undertake short journeys. Thanks.

i'm waiting for your evidence that they do, and since i asked first perhaps you'll oblige me by finding some or withdrawing the statement.

 

[Spymaster]

Come on Pickman's

Show some evidence of that claim you've never made!

 

[editor]

i'm waiting for your evidence that they do, and since i asked first perhaps you'll oblige me by finding some or withdrawing the statement.

Suck it up

It is no coincidence that 4x4s are the cars of choice for school-run mothers and rappers. Both suffer from different strains of status anxiety. Women feel less patronised when they are at the wheel of a truck. As for jokes about women and parking: well, I don't think so. It's not as if 4x4, school-run mothers actually park; they just stop in the middle of the road. Whole sections of London are closed between about 3.30pm and 4.30pm. A gentlemanly colleague who watches this daily barricade from his seat on the bus noted that 4x4 mothers have no concept of other traffic on the roads. "Don't they crash?" he asked. "How could they tell?" I replied.
4x4s will vanish in a puff of smoke

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4900000.stm[URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4900000.stm"]BBC NEWS | Education | 4x4 vehicles 'school run hazard'[/URL]

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Do you lot never get sick of this argument?

(says the woman who is still arguing about sausages)

 

[Pickman's model]

Suck it up

BBC NEWS | Education | 4x4 vehicles 'school run hazard'BBC NEWS | Education | 4x4 vehicles 'school run hazard'

i don't know about you, but i am not persuaded by two articles from 15 and 13 years ago which are in essence hearsay and anecdote.

e2a: the telegraph piece is obvious hyperbole and i am very surprised you have decided to share it as 'evidence'

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Suck it up

BBC NEWS | Education | 4x4 vehicles 'school run hazard'BBC NEWS | Education | 4x4 vehicles 'school run hazard'

That Torygraph article is misogynistic filth. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Spymaster]

That Torygraph article is misogynistic filth. Thanks for sharing.

Offering an opinion piece from the Telegraph as "evidence" of a position!

 

[a_chap]

As a cyclist I sadly have to concur. I'm rarely endangered by pedestrians.

When I'm riding my bike I'm occasionally endangered by pedestrians and much too frequently endangered by those driving cars/lorries/vans/busses etc.

When I'm driving my car I'm never endangered by pedestrians or those riding bikes or riding horses. But I'm still endangered by those driving cars/lorries/vans/busses etc.

On the positive side, I went for a 250 mile bike ride this weekend and I can count on the fingers of just two hands the number of times I was passed unnecessarily/dangerously closely by motor vehicles. That is a distinct improvement in my opinion - maybe drivers are beginning to understand how truly dangerous to other road users what they are doing is.

I rarely tell my wife how often I am passed dangerously closely by vehicles; it only upsets her if I do.

 

[Pickman's model]

Offering an opinion piece from the Telegraph as "evidence" of a position!

especially one which says