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That's the whole point grtho - they've mobilised w/c discontebnt but not around those isues - for those that seek an opening, well, there it is...

What i thinkGL is saying is that there are issuesthat primarily effect the rural w/c but no bugger is taking them seriously, which allows the CA to masqeraude as the defender of these things - disguised as' rights' - which includes the bosses rights' - or in fact is centred around the bosses rights.
 
I must admit of I go down the local market I'm unlikely to run into a Socialist Worker paper sale ;) (Jesus, can't even get the Grauniad at home) but that doesn't mean the "left" (term used broadly) isn't aware of or hasn't argued on or hasn't undertaken action on rural issues.

Off the top of my head I've been in U75 threads in the last few weeks that specificly mentioned the rural aspects of:

Housing
Public Transport
Travellers
Cottaging
Provision of shops

but funnily, the minute we criticise the agenda of the CA and their DOUBLED explotation of the small numbers of the rural working class they "persuaded" to join their march, we're accused of being un-knowing "townies".

Interesting point though, how CAN the "left" (anarchists included there) be more active in the country?
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
This one looks just like Samantha FOX :D

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Hard to tell, can't see her other hand. Is she holding a drink?
 
but funnily, the minute we criticise the agenda of the CA and their DOUBLED explotation of the small numbers of the rural working class they "persuaded" to join their march, we're accused of being un-knowing "townies".
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What are you going on about? Where has anyone accused you of anything for criticising the CA and again I'll ask who has said that the CA has campaigned on those issues?
 
"but funnily, the minute we criticise the agenda of the CA and their DOUBLED explotation of the small numbers of the rural working class they "persuaded" to join their march, we're accused of being un-knowing "townies"."

Extremely unfair mate and the double edge of calling people with these concerns yokels - which, to be fair - you are :p

Seriously - there are issues which aren't being raised or even approched depsite the things you list - or else there would not be this support.
 
grtho said:
I must admit of I go down the local market I'm unlikely to run into a Socialist Worker paper sale ;) (Jesus, can't even get the Grauniad at home) but that doesn't mean the "left" (term used broadly) isn't aware of or hasn't argued on or hasn't undertaken action on rural issues.

Off the top of my head I've been in U75 threads in the last few weeks that specificly mentioned the rural aspects of:

Housing
Public Transport
Travellers
Cottaging
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:eek:

Is there a village whose postman has not been done for this?
 
General Ludd said:
But I'm back in Herefordshire at the moment so am again angry with how the left in the uk completely fails to understand the rural working class or have a fucking clue about live outside cities.
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In your own words GL !


Don't be obtuse and split hairs; the CA claims to represent rural issues but patently HASN'T done anything for the rural working class.


@ BA :p backatcha.
No I wasn't using a "double edged" thing to call rural workers "yokels" - maybe I shouldn't talk with a bloke of your rapier intelligence so late at night! I'd take a guess that a small number of rural workers were "persuaded" onto today's march in London by the CA which is a reflection of "toffs' " interests, not those of the working class in rural areas, even if the "toffs" try and bend it so it appears to some rural workers that they have common interests.

I'll put it to "Ye Olde Zummerzet Political Teste" next time I'm at home and ask in the bar of my local. Pint of cider says they've got other issues on and they think the CA are a bunch of "bloody nutterz" :cool:

Anyway, bedtime or I'll never get my right hand drive combine through the rush hour on the Autobahn in the morning. ;)
 
Stop tryin to flatter me you poof :p Even in my local in weston they're waiting for the buses to get back - and that's in a pretty urban area for where we/you live...i need to know why and it's not because they've 'been persuaded' - people see themselves in these protests...

Good night mate :)
 
In your own words GL !
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Errr where in that quote do I 'accuse you of anything for criticising the CA'?
Don't be obtuse and split hairs; the CA claims to represent rural issues but patently HASN'T done anything for the rural working class.
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Look maybe you're tired or maybe your pissed but please go back, read the thread and put your strawmen down. However many times you attack it noone has claimed that the CA has done anything for the rural working class. Noone. Not a single poster. You've still managed to spend at least 3 posts attacking this non-existant stance.
 
General Ludd said:
I'm writing a quick article now so I'll start a serious thread pretty soon.
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Cool.

I am part of the rural working class - I've worked in the chicken factory, and the paper making factory on the industrial estate... I've worked in a village bank that got closed down. My old local has now closed so I can't get a pint there after footy. My dad's tiny little 30 house village has been destroyed by road and housing estate development - and yet I can't get a place in my old village because we're (just) close enough (if you want to kill yourself) to commute to London. I have to deal with people who have to deal with the fact that the government no longer guarantee spaces for traveller sites. Fuck, this is depressing. Anyway, I'm interested...
 
Alun Michael MP on Newsnight on security in Parliament

"We don't want Parliament turned into that kind of Bastille."





Subconscious working overtime there...

Oh yes we do!

:cool: :D :D :D
 
I've read the majority of this thread, not it all. So forgive me if this/these points have already been made before.

For a start, I reckon that the toffs should be brought to book on their 'sporting' activities and that a ban on hunting with hounds is fully justified. The ban has got fuck all to do with a way of life being compromised...nothing at all. There are plenty of alternatives that the toffs and their minions can take on this one. Drag hunting for instance.

Fuck em!

Anyway. Did anyone else see the footage of the confrontation outside parliament where there were some strapping lads at the back of the demo linking arms and pushing the crowd forward towards the police lines.

I've seen these tactics being used before during the miners' strike and I swear I saw the same tactics being employed today.

Just on an aside. How entrenched are the BNP within the Countryside Alliance?
 
vimto said:
Just on an aside. How entrenched are the BNP within the Countryside Alliance?
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The BNP vote in rural areas is practically nil. (Someone on U75 posted the actual figures here after the last lot of elections).
Some CA members also being members/voters of UKIP is a far more realistic probability.
My locality (Kerrier, Cornwall) where UKIP had a higher vote than any other party in the Euro elections also has a large number of CA members due to the number of hunts in the area.
 
tobyjug said:
The BNP vote in rural areas is practically nil.
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Yeah I know that

But wasn't there a concern within certain sections of the Countryside Aliiance that they were being infiltrated by the BNP?
 
vimto said:
Yeah I know that

But wasn't there a concern within certain sections of the Countryside Aliiance that they were being infiltrated by the BNP?
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The BNP have tried to infiltrate a lot or rural organisations. They tried it on with Cornish Solidarity and got physically removed from a meeting.
 
tobyjug said:
The BNP have tried to infiltrate a lot or rural organisations. They tried it on with Cornish Solidarity and got physically removed from a meeting.
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Yeah perhaps.

But we're talking about the Countryside Alliance not Cornish Solidarity yeah?

Are you trying to stray off subject toby?
 
I'm from the countryside (Meath, Ireland) and hunts took place not half a mile from my house when I was younger. Hated 'em then, hate 'em now. The hunts run by The Ward Union Hunt still go on nearby though. I never minded the regular horsey set. A local showjumping bloke won Ireland's only gold medal at the olympics actually.

Some toffs ain't so bad round here.

Red faced stag hunters had to abandon their chase when a well known member of the local landed gentry confronted them armed with an antique shotgun.

Members of the Ward Union Staghunt encountered more than they had bargained for after they had encroached on the lands of Lord Dunsany in Co Meath.And they had to abandon their hunt with their tails between their legs after they were confronted by an angry Lady Maria Dunsany armed with an antique shotgun.

Lady Dunsany who moved to Ireland from her native Brazil after her marriage to Lord Dunsany became aware that the riders had encroached on her familys land on Tuesday after two Hunt Saboteurs called to her door.
She then grabbed an antique shotgun from the walls of Dunsany Castle and went out to confront the trespassers.

'I took an antique from the wall which has not been used for 150 years' Lady Dunsany told the Star.I said ' you are all very pompous, Irish pretending to be English and I am a woman and I like respect. We have principles and we dont want to destroy the place, she added. Hunt Saboteur Bernie Wright who witnessed the stand off said the riders were stunned by the sight of an armed Lady Dunsany confronting them as they emerged from the woods.'she jumped out of the Jeep and tackled a load of them. They nearly died when they saw her coming with an antique gun' she said.
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vimto said:
Yeah perhaps.

But we're talking about the Countryside Alliance not Cornish Solidarity yeah?

Are you trying to stray off subject toby?
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Not in the slightest. I fail to see how in any way shape or form the Countryside Alliance would be of any interest to the BNP.
 
vimto said:
Saying that...it's nice to see the toffs battling with the cops innit :)
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Could someone point me in the direction of a TV news bulletin which showed toffs battling with cops. (Unless the word toff is being used as defining anyone from a rural area)
 
tobyjug said:
Could someone point me in the direction of a TV news bulletin which showed toffs battling with cops. (Unless the word toff is being used as defining anyone from a rural area)
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Not sure - there's a guy interviewed on Newsnight* who had me thinking "toff or not?" (I really have no idea about South-West accents...)

* 8-10 mins in as I remember it... can't see a link that will work after 10:30 on Thursday
 
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