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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
it's set to be the millionnaires' retreat when everything goes to shit in 'the West'. Loads of wealthy people have bought property there recently. NZ is mostly like a 50s Hampshire village, culturally.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
all the kiwis I have met would have been burnt at the stake in 50s Hampshire, however they might not be representative of the country.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Didn't you feel this said something valuable? ...
there was more along those lines ... I could forgive the 'here be dragons' type stuff because I thought the writer was making some excellent points, that I'd not seen before.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
What's not helpful about it?
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Kiwis are really sound mostly but the country is still very low population and so the rich wankers can buy it up and pretend it's culturally perfect and white.
That's also untrue - their parliament is 70% 'European' which mirrors exactly the makeup of the country itself.
They also have MMP down there too, meaning parties like the Maori party actually have a say in major decisions.
The 52nd New Zealand Parliament Demographics | Kiwiblog
The 120 MPs of the 52nd New Zealand Parliament are listed above. The demographic analysis follows: Gender 74 (-8) Males, 62% (-6%) 46 (+7) Females, 38% (+6%) A big increase in the number of female MPs, mainly due to Labour. Ethnicity 79 (-4) European, 66% (-3%) 27 (+1) Maori, 23% (+2%) 7 (nc)...
www.kiwiblog.co.nz
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I said government, not parliament. Johnson’s cabinet has more non-white people in it than St Jacinda. Winston bloody Peters is the most significant Maori politician. It’s better than Australia, but still highly pakeha dominated.That's also untrue - their parliament is 70% 'European' which mirrors exactly the makeup of the country itself.
They also have MMP down there too, meaning parties like the Maori party actually have a say in major decisions.
The 52nd New Zealand Parliament Demographics | Kiwiblog
The 120 MPs of the 52nd New Zealand Parliament are listed above. The demographic analysis follows: Gender 74 (-8) Males, 62% (-6%) 46 (+7) Females, 38% (+6%) A big increase in the number of female MPs, mainly due to Labour. Ethnicity 79 (-4) European, 66% (-3%) 27 (+1) Maori, 23% (+2%) 7 (nc)...
Yossarian
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New Zealand's not "white" any more than the US or the UK is - but I think the broader point about a lot of attention being paid to New Zealand's impressive handling of the pandemic while the experience of many other countries who have handled the pandemic well is being largely ignored still stands, whether you describe New Zealand as "white," "Western," or "a wealthy country with a majority white population that white people around the world pay a lot more attention to than Rwanda or Mongolia."
Yossarian
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That opinion piece was polemical and painted things in broad strokes but it was still kind of an eye-opener for me - I think the most important point it made was that if Western countries want to learn how to defeat a disease, countries that were already dealing with massive public health challenges have a lot to teach them.
www.technologyreview.com
How Mongolia has kept the coronavirus at bay
Davaadorj Rendoo, an epidemiologist at the National Center for Public Health in Ulaanbaatar, explains Mongolia's national strategy.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Madrid 
www.theguardian.com
Meanwhile Madrids hospital graphs have now reached the following levels (national daily reports version of data):
And the national picture of hospital number by region in a single graph.
Madrid opera halted by audience protest over lack of social distancing
Spectators at Teatro Real say they were crammed into seats without space between them
Meanwhile Madrids hospital graphs have now reached the following levels (national daily reports version of data):
And the national picture of hospital number by region in a single graph.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yeah, and you can see the same drop in the first day of every weeks data. And their data isnt very good anyway, and they dont even report it for dates that fall on weekends.
Hopsital numbers are often based on testing, so testing delays can also contribute to the data being less than an accurate and timely picture. Same goes with UK hospital admission figures too, its based on patients testing positive so the number of admissions we see is not the actual number of people who were actually admitted on that day, its based on reporting of people in hospital testing positive.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yes it was one of the worst outbreaks seen anywhere, and was responsible for a hefty chunk of Spains deaths.
The resurgence there was bad news for those who were hoping that those places hit very badly the first time must have had it so bad that they will be spared a bad repeat, due to higher immunity levels etc. What has happened in Madrid this summer has pissed on their 'lockdown 2 isnt necessary' chips big time.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I was kinda hoping there might be some sort of immunity in the places with bad outbreaks too.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I hoped for such outcomes too, but I did not think it appropriate to think it terribly likely, or to base policy on such hopes.
It wasnt a completely impossible idea, due mostly to large gaps in our understanding of immunity, and there is still plenty of time in this pandemic for us to discover where the ceilings really are. There might be some twists, there might not, so my script is not completely rigid. But it will certainly require clear and consistent evidence before I become a true believer in any of the more exotic possibilities.
It wasnt a completely impossible idea, due mostly to large gaps in our understanding of immunity, and there is still plenty of time in this pandemic for us to discover where the ceilings really are. There might be some twists, there might not, so my script is not completely rigid. But it will certainly require clear and consistent evidence before I become a true believer in any of the more exotic possibilities.
Lockdown being considered in Athens.
www.keeptalkinggreece.com
“Lockdown in Attica” if restrictions don’t flatten the curve, signal Greek officials - Keep Talking Greece
Greek officials reiterated in the past hours the possibility of a lockdown should the latest measure
www.keeptalkinggreece.com
Israel had 6,667 cases yesterday in a country of about 6 million
I guess it depends on how much testing they are doing and the direction of travel but 0.11% of the population doesn't sound massive in of itself.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Israel COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Israel Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
200k cases out of 9 million
spring-peeper
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Here in Ontario, the infection rate is climbing. It makes sense because of the schools opening.
Testing has become a nightmare, with parents starting to line up at 3 am and still taking hours before they get to the beginning of the queue.
In the rural areas, you can only be seen if you have an appointment and you can only arrive 15 minutes before your appointment.
This in not the case in the urban areas - ya gotta line up.
Last week, my niece, rural, had to have here kids tested because one of them coughed in class and had a fever.
Had them tested on Friday, Monday she was told the tests were inconclusive and she had to redo the tests.
Did they give her an appointment time? NO!!!
45 minutes on hold, she got the appointment for Thursday.
In response to these horror stories, the provincial government is now allowing the pharmacies to test.
None are within an hours drive, which is good.
I don't want to go into the store to get my meds, and have to worry if the person ahead of me wants testing.
Testing has become a nightmare, with parents starting to line up at 3 am and still taking hours before they get to the beginning of the queue.
In the rural areas, you can only be seen if you have an appointment and you can only arrive 15 minutes before your appointment.
This in not the case in the urban areas - ya gotta line up.
Last week, my niece, rural, had to have here kids tested because one of them coughed in class and had a fever.
Had them tested on Friday, Monday she was told the tests were inconclusive and she had to redo the tests.
Did they give her an appointment time? NO!!!
45 minutes on hold, she got the appointment for Thursday.
In response to these horror stories, the provincial government is now allowing the pharmacies to test.
Full list of Ontario pharmacies now offering COVID-19 tests
Up to 60 pharmacies across Ontario will be offering COVID-19 testing as of Friday. Here is a full list:
toronto.ctvnews.ca
None are within an hours drive, which is good.
I don't want to go into the store to get my meds, and have to worry if the person ahead of me wants testing.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I don't mean to dump a text on this thread from FB but this is a quote from Dr. Fauci [EDITED TO ADD, THIS TEXT WAS ATTRIBUTED TO DR FAUCI BUT IS IN FACT NOT FROM HIM, PLEASE SEE FOLLOWING POST] which is doing the rounds and I haven't yet seen in the thread. Apologies if it has already been posted or has been linked to.
Quote From Dr. Fauci: (I love his closing line
)
“Chickenpox is a virus. Lots of people have had it, and probably don't think about it much once the initial illness has passed. But it stays in your body and lives there forever, and maybe when you're older, you have debilitatingly painful outbreaks of shingles. You don't just get over this virus in a few weeks, never to have another health effect. We know this because it's been around for years, and has been studied medically for years.
Herpes is also a virus. And once someone has it, it stays in your body and lives there forever, and anytime they get a little run down or stressed-out they're going to have an outbreak. Maybe every time you have a big event coming up (school pictures, job interview, big date) you're going to get a cold sore. For the rest of your life. You don't just get over it in a few weeks. We know this because it's been around for years, and been studied medically for years.
HIV is a virus. It attacks the immune system and makes the carrier far more vulnerable to other illnesses. It has a list of symptoms and negative health impacts that goes on and on. It was decades before viable treatments were developed that allowed people to live with a reasonable quality of life. Once you have it, it lives in your body forever and there is no cure. Over time, that takes a toll on the body, putting people living with HIV at greater risk for health conditions such as cardiovascular disease, kidney disease, diabetes, bone disease, liver disease, cognitive disorders, and some types of cancer. We know this because it has been around for years, and had been studied medically for years.
Now with COVID-19, we have a novel virus that spreads rapidly and easily. The full spectrum of symptoms and health effects is only just beginning to be cataloged, much less understood.
So far the symptoms may include:
Fever
Fatigue
Coughing
Pneumonia
Chills/Trembling
Acute respiratory distress
Lung damage (potentially permanent)
Loss of taste (a neurological symptom)
Sore throat
Headaches
Difficulty breathing
Mental confusion
Diarrhea
Nausea or vomiting
Loss of appetite
Strokes have also been reported in some people who have COVID-19 (even in the relatively young)
Swollen eyes
Blood clots
Seizures
Liver damage
Kidney damage
Rash
COVID toes (weird, right?)
People testing positive for COVID-19 have been documented to be sick even after 60 days. Many people are sick for weeks, get better, and then experience a rapid and sudden flare up and get sick all over again. A man in Seattle was hospitalized for 62 days, and while well enough to be released, still has a long road of recovery ahead of him. Not to mention a $1.1 million medical bill.
Then there is MIS-C. Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children is a condition where different body parts can become inflamed, including the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs. Children with MIS-C may have a fever and various symptoms, including abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, neck pain, rash, bloodshot eyes, or feeling extra tired. While rare, it has caused deaths.
This disease has not been around for years. It has basically been 6 months. No one knows yet the long-term health effects, or how it may present itself years down the road for people who have been exposed. We literally do not know what we do not know.
For those in our society who suggest that people being cautious are cowards, for people who refuse to take even the simplest of precautions to protect themselves and those around them, I want to ask, without hyperbole and in all sincerity:
How dare you?
How dare you risk the lives of others so cavalierly. How dare you decide for others that they should welcome exposure as "getting it over with", when literally no one knows who will be the lucky "mild symptoms" case, and who may fall ill and die. Because while we know that some people are more susceptible to suffering a more serious case, we also know that 20 and 30-year-olds have died, marathon runners and fitness nuts have died, children and infants have died.
How dare you behave as though you know more than medical experts, when those same experts acknowledge that there is so much we don't yet know, but with what we DO know, are smart enough to be scared of how easily this is spread, and recommend baseline precautions such as:
Frequent hand-washing
Physical distancing
Reduced social/public contact or interaction
Mask wearing
Covering your cough or sneeze
Avoiding touching your face
Sanitizing frequently touched surfaces
The more things we can all do to mitigate our risk of exposure, the better off we all are, in my opinion. Not only does it flatten the curve and allow health care providers to maintain levels of service that aren't immediately and catastrophically overwhelmed; it also reduces unnecessary suffering and deaths, and buys time for the scientific community to study the virus in order to come to a more full understanding of the breadth of its impacts in both the short and long term.
I reject the notion that it's "just a virus" and we'll all get it eventually. What a careless, lazy, heartless stance.”
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Quote From Dr. Fauci: (I love his closing line
“Chickenpox is a virus. Lots of people have had it, and probably don't think about it much once the initial illness has passed. But it stays in your body and lives there forever, and maybe when you're older, you have debilitatingly painful outbreaks of shingles. You don't just get over this virus in a few weeks, never to have another health effect. We know this because it's been around for years, and has been studied medically for years.
Herpes is also a virus. And once someone has it, it stays in your body and lives there forever, and anytime they get a little run down or stressed-out they're going to have an outbreak. Maybe every time you have a big event coming up (school pictures, job interview, big date) you're going to get a cold sore. For the rest of your life. You don't just get over it in a few weeks. We know this because it's been around for years, and been studied medically for years.
HIV is a virus. It attacks the immune system and makes the carrier far more vulnerable to other illnesses. It has a list of symptoms and negative health impacts that goes on and on. It was decades before viable treatments were developed that allowed people to live with a reasonable quality of life. Once you have it, it lives in your body forever and there is no cure. Over time, that takes a toll on the body, putting people living with HIV at greater risk for health conditions such as cardiovascular disease, kidney disease, diabetes, bone disease, liver disease, cognitive disorders, and some types of cancer. We know this because it has been around for years, and had been studied medically for years.
Now with COVID-19, we have a novel virus that spreads rapidly and easily. The full spectrum of symptoms and health effects is only just beginning to be cataloged, much less understood.
So far the symptoms may include:
Fever
Fatigue
Coughing
Pneumonia
Chills/Trembling
Acute respiratory distress
Lung damage (potentially permanent)
Loss of taste (a neurological symptom)
Sore throat
Headaches
Difficulty breathing
Mental confusion
Diarrhea
Nausea or vomiting
Loss of appetite
Strokes have also been reported in some people who have COVID-19 (even in the relatively young)
Swollen eyes
Blood clots
Seizures
Liver damage
Kidney damage
Rash
COVID toes (weird, right?)
People testing positive for COVID-19 have been documented to be sick even after 60 days. Many people are sick for weeks, get better, and then experience a rapid and sudden flare up and get sick all over again. A man in Seattle was hospitalized for 62 days, and while well enough to be released, still has a long road of recovery ahead of him. Not to mention a $1.1 million medical bill.
Then there is MIS-C. Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children is a condition where different body parts can become inflamed, including the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs. Children with MIS-C may have a fever and various symptoms, including abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, neck pain, rash, bloodshot eyes, or feeling extra tired. While rare, it has caused deaths.
This disease has not been around for years. It has basically been 6 months. No one knows yet the long-term health effects, or how it may present itself years down the road for people who have been exposed. We literally do not know what we do not know.
For those in our society who suggest that people being cautious are cowards, for people who refuse to take even the simplest of precautions to protect themselves and those around them, I want to ask, without hyperbole and in all sincerity:
How dare you?
How dare you risk the lives of others so cavalierly. How dare you decide for others that they should welcome exposure as "getting it over with", when literally no one knows who will be the lucky "mild symptoms" case, and who may fall ill and die. Because while we know that some people are more susceptible to suffering a more serious case, we also know that 20 and 30-year-olds have died, marathon runners and fitness nuts have died, children and infants have died.
How dare you behave as though you know more than medical experts, when those same experts acknowledge that there is so much we don't yet know, but with what we DO know, are smart enough to be scared of how easily this is spread, and recommend baseline precautions such as:
Frequent hand-washing
Physical distancing
Reduced social/public contact or interaction
Mask wearing
Covering your cough or sneeze
Avoiding touching your face
Sanitizing frequently touched surfaces
The more things we can all do to mitigate our risk of exposure, the better off we all are, in my opinion. Not only does it flatten the curve and allow health care providers to maintain levels of service that aren't immediately and catastrophically overwhelmed; it also reduces unnecessary suffering and deaths, and buys time for the scientific community to study the virus in order to come to a more full understanding of the breadth of its impacts in both the short and long term.
I reject the notion that it's "just a virus" and we'll all get it eventually. What a careless, lazy, heartless stance.”
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Not from Fauci:I don't mean to dump a text on this thread from FB but this is a quote from Dr. Fauci which is doing the rounds and I haven't yet seen in the thread. Apologies if it has already been posted or has been linked to.
Quote From Dr. Fauci: (I love his closing line)
“Chickenpox is a virus. Lots of people have had it, and probably don't think about it much once the initial illness has passed. But it stays in your body and lives there forever, and maybe when you're older, you have debilitatingly painful outbreaks of shingles. You don't just get over this virus in a few weeks, never to have another health effect. We know this because it's been around for years, and has been studied medically for years.
Herpes is also a virus. And once someone has it, it stays in your body and lives there forever, and anytime they get a little run down or stressed-out they're going to have an outbreak. Maybe every time you have a big event coming up (school pictures, job interview, big date) you're going to get a cold sore. For the rest of your life. You don't just get over it in a few weeks. We know this because it's been around for years, and been studied medically for years.
HIV is a virus. It attacks the immune system and makes the carrier far more vulnerable to other illnesses. It has a list of symptoms and negative health impacts that goes on and on. It was decades before viable treatments were developed that allowed people to live with a reasonable quality of life. Once you have it, it lives in your body forever and there is no cure. Over time, that takes a toll on the body, putting people living with HIV at greater risk for health conditions such as cardiovascular disease, kidney disease, diabetes, bone disease, liver disease, cognitive disorders, and some types of cancer. We know this because it has been around for years, and had been studied medically for years.
Now with COVID-19, we have a novel virus that spreads rapidly and easily. The full spectrum of symptoms and health effects is only just beginning to be cataloged, much less understood.
So far the symptoms may include:
Fever
Fatigue
Coughing
Pneumonia
Chills/Trembling
Acute respiratory distress
Lung damage (potentially permanent)
Loss of taste (a neurological symptom)
Sore throat
Headaches
Difficulty breathing
Mental confusion
Diarrhea
Nausea or vomiting
Loss of appetite
Strokes have also been reported in some people who have COVID-19 (even in the relatively young)
Swollen eyes
Blood clots
Seizures
Liver damage
Kidney damage
Rash
COVID toes (weird, right?)
People testing positive for COVID-19 have been documented to be sick even after 60 days. Many people are sick for weeks, get better, and then experience a rapid and sudden flare up and get sick all over again. A man in Seattle was hospitalized for 62 days, and while well enough to be released, still has a long road of recovery ahead of him. Not to mention a $1.1 million medical bill.
Then there is MIS-C. Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children is a condition where different body parts can become inflamed, including the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs. Children with MIS-C may have a fever and various symptoms, including abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, neck pain, rash, bloodshot eyes, or feeling extra tired. While rare, it has caused deaths.
This disease has not been around for years. It has basically been 6 months. No one knows yet the long-term health effects, or how it may present itself years down the road for people who have been exposed. We literally do not know what we do not know.
For those in our society who suggest that people being cautious are cowards, for people who refuse to take even the simplest of precautions to protect themselves and those around them, I want to ask, without hyperbole and in all sincerity:
How dare you?
How dare you risk the lives of others so cavalierly. How dare you decide for others that they should welcome exposure as "getting it over with", when literally no one knows who will be the lucky "mild symptoms" case, and who may fall ill and die. Because while we know that some people are more susceptible to suffering a more serious case, we also know that 20 and 30-year-olds have died, marathon runners and fitness nuts have died, children and infants have died.
How dare you behave as though you know more than medical experts, when those same experts acknowledge that there is so much we don't yet know, but with what we DO know, are smart enough to be scared of how easily this is spread, and recommend baseline precautions such as:
Frequent hand-washing
Physical distancing
Reduced social/public contact or interaction
Mask wearing
Covering your cough or sneeze
Avoiding touching your face
Sanitizing frequently touched surfaces
The more things we can all do to mitigate our risk of exposure, the better off we all are, in my opinion. Not only does it flatten the curve and allow health care providers to maintain levels of service that aren't immediately and catastrophically overwhelmed; it also reduces unnecessary suffering and deaths, and buys time for the scientific community to study the virus in order to come to a more full understanding of the breadth of its impacts in both the short and long term.
I reject the notion that it's "just a virus" and we'll all get it eventually. What a careless, lazy, heartless stance.”
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Did Fauci Compare Research About COVID-19 to That of Chickenpox?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Oh fishfinger - perhaps that might be the last time I copy something from FB then 
shame, it does read like a useful diatribe.
shame, it does read like a useful diatribe.
Just check it first. It's a good diatribe but has potential to do more harm than good when misattributed.Oh fishfinger - perhaps that might be the last time I copy something from FB then
