Coronavirus: music festivals, big gigs, sports events and big gatherings - going ahead and cancelled

[William of Walworth]

Bless you for your optimism William.

Thanks a lot , but I fear that it's over-optimism on my part really

I do try my best to be realistic too though, so I honestly hope that doing that optimism thing, but as a workable mix with the 'with realism' control, helps people not feel too down about 'all this'

 

[William of Walworth]

We might get a safe and reliable one that still does not offer more than 40% protection, meaning with the nature of the virus, 100% vaccination rates might still not "make it go away" without significant other measures staying in place for quite a long time.

I fully agree, and that's a very fair point!

But! I also reckon that most people hoping to get to a few more gigs or fests at some point, aren't too down about significant other measures.

The more the better of those, I'd personally say, if there's any chance at all that extra measures (on top of a vaccine) would help events happen.

 

[William of Walworth]

We were hanging out in Glastonbury town the weekend just over, and most we were chatting with -- largely friends of ours now, or general pub-folks who work as onsite crew at Pilton in whatever local capacity --were HIGHLY pessimistic about Glasto 2021 happening next June

Mind you though , one or two of the pessimists tended to be less than me about vaccines both in prediction, theory, and practice ..... ... the words 'wrong' and 'mad' and 'lunacy' about anti-vaccination 'theories' were very tempting to use .......

BUT!!

With the aid of cider and the odd toke, surprisingly , I successfully avoided/evaded too many arguments there -- it's G-Town for fucks sake

And they anyway seemed to lack access to Urban anti-conspiranoia threads

 

[8ball]

I fully agree, and that's a very fair point!

But! I also reckon that most people hoping to get to a few more gigs or fests at some point, aren't too down about significant other measures.

The more the better of those, I'd personally say, if there's any chance at all that extra measures (on top of a vaccine) would help events happen.

I can’t see any degree of social distancing being viable for festivals in anything like theit current form, unfortunately.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Thanks a lot , but I fear that it's over-optimism on my part really

I do try my best to be realistic too though, so I honestly hope that doing that optimism thing, but as a workable mix with the 'with realism' control, helps people not feel too down about 'all this'

It's all over William.

What are the stations of grief`?

I'm working on acceptance.

 

[William of Walworth]

SheilaNaGig : Do you not think a safe and reliable vaccine would make any difference at all to possibilities of future festivals, then?

I sense that you're on the extreme end of pessimism here?

At least I'm genuinely attempting to temper my (natural) optimim with some realism too.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

I would guess the timeframe is a bit on the short side for a safe and reliable vaccine for the next festival season unfortunately.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

SheilaNaGig : Do you not think a safe and reliable vaccine would make any difference at all to possibilities of future festivals, then?

I sense that you're on the extreme end of pessimism here?

At least I'm genuinely attempting to temper my (natural) optimim with some realism too.

I think we’re a way off a vaccine yet. And when/if one finally comes along the logistics of getting it out there are not trivial. It’s going to take time. Lots of time. It will also require competency and extensive international co-operation from government, which you may have noticed is in rather short supply these days.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Basically, I think there will some events next year. Some may call themselves festivals. But they won’t be what you or I know and enjoy as festivals.

 

[editor]

Larmer Tree Festival 2021 is cancelled

Larmer Tree Festival 2021 won't be going ahead, organisers confirm

Next year's Larmer Tree festival has been cancelled due to the uncertainty of the coronavirus pandemic, organisers have said.

www.salisburyjournal.co.uk

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

More will follow I’m afraid. People just can’t risk the huge sums of money involved with so much uncertainty.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

SheilaNaGig : Do you not think a safe and reliable vaccine would make any difference at all to possibilities of future festivals, then?

I sense that you're on the extreme end of pessimism here?

At least I'm genuinely attempting to temper my (natural) optimim with some realism too.

I think a safe and reliable vaccine could make a certain difference, but the logistics for that are very problematic as others have said.

But I remain sceptical about whether or not a viable vaccine is even possible, even before we get to safe and effective.

 

[William of Walworth]

Basically, I think there will some events next year. Some may call themselves festivals. But they won’t be what you or I know and enjoy as festivals.

Smaller ones could be somewhat more likely for (later?) summer 2021, was my thinking.

The chat about logistics and safety measures can wait until New Year!

 

[killer b]

Smaller ones could be somewhat more likely for (later?) summer

Is there an echo in here?

 

[Badgers]

Smaller ones are a mebbe?

 

[8115]

Knitting and Stitching Show in October has been cancelled.

 

[William of Walworth]

I think a safe and reliable vaccine could make a certain difference, but the logistics for that are very problematic as others have said.

But I remain sceptical about whether or not a viable vaccine is even possible, even before we get to safe and effective.

I'm on a four-pint bet with my (Glastonbury-working -- John Peel Stage) friend that there will/will not be a vaccine.

We agreed on "By Easter Sunday or Monday 2021" for the payout, one way or t'other!

I say yes, he says no, and the odds are admittedly very good for him in terms of the deadline, but also, he really wants to lose the bet.

For now, I'd say it's not impossible that he will lose it ...... I go no further

I completely accept anyway that there are all sorts of other organisational/logistical/new safety rule problems and obstacles .

But also, and this is in Glastonbury's favour, there are no more experienced/knowledgeable people in Festivalworld than the Eavises and all their longstanding area-leaders and co-organisers

 

[Badgers]

Knitting and Stitching Show in October has been cancelled.

Been to that one a few times. Felt like cattle the way the old ladies were leering at me and brushing against me

 

[William of Walworth]

Is there an echo in here?

No --everyone disagrees with me

That doesn't definitely mean I'm (completely) wrong though. Does it?

 

[mx wcfc]

Smaller ones could be somewhat more likely for (later?) summer 2021, was my thinking.

The chat about logistics and safety measures can wait until New Year!

That's my thinking, small DIY festies like Something Else (late September), and Blyth Power Ashes (August Bank Holiday) could still be on, subject to an innoculation being available.

Please, allow me hope.

 

[8115]

Been to that one a few times. Felt like cattle the way the old ladies were leering at me and brushing against me

I really hope you're joking but I feel like you're kind of not.

 

[killer b]

No --everyone disagrees with me

That doesn't definitely mean I'm (completely) wrong though. Does it?

You've been repeating the same post on this thread - but with the date moved back a few months each time - for 6 months now.

So has everyone else tbf.

 

[Badgers]

I really hope you're joking but I feel like you're kind of not.

Nope. Am not

 

[William of Walworth]

You've been repeating the same post on this thread - but with the date moved back a few months each time - for 6 months now.

So has everyone else tbf.

I've been completely wrong in my time-predictions so far, I have to admit that

But as mx wcfc said, all we can do is try to retain some hope -- and eventually (?), there will be a vaccine, which will at least help..

 

[8115]

Actually I'm not that sad about the Knitting and Stitching Show, I've only been once but it was really busy and felt quite money-orientated. I was thinking about going again to try and do a couple of workshops but it's a long way and like I said it's really busy.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I'm on a four-pint bet with my (Glastonbury-working -- John Peel Stage) friend that there will/will not be a vaccine.

We agreed on "By Easter Sunday or Monday 2021" for the payout, one way or t'other!

I say yes, he says no, and the odds are admittedly very good for him in terms of the deadline, but also, he really wants to lose the bet.

For now, I'd say it's not impossible that he will lose it ...... I go no further

I completely accept anyway that there are all sorts of other organisational/logistical/new safety rule problems and obstacles .

But also, and this is in Glastonbury's favour, there are no more experienced/knowledgeable people in Festivalworld than the Eavises and all their longstanding area-leaders and co-organisers

I don’t want to break this to you William, but the size of Glastonbury is not going to help it. Quite the opposite.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

... eventually (?), there will be a vaccine, which will at least help..

unfortunately for us all this sounds about correct

 

[William of Walworth]

I don’t want to break this to you William, but the size of Glastonbury is not going to help it. Quite the opposite.

Very fair point. No-one has said anything yet about reducing the numbers, and they should ....

But! The main problem atm, if they do want/need to reduce numbers, is that almost everyone who"succeeded" in getting a ticket last October has hung on to it -- I found out somewhere that the numbers getting refunds were miniscule.

So yes, you do raise a proper problem that (being crew ) I hadn't thought much about up until now

 

[Badgers]

The World Travel Market 09-11th November at ExCel (one of the biggest exhibitions in the UK) has just moved 'online'

Not a huge surprise given they usually get 50k+ visitors from all over the world. Still a massive hole in the UK events revenue though.

After 40 years of you coming to us, WTM London 2020 is coming to you! We are facilitating a completely virtual event which is taking place on 9-11 November. The main aim is to help recover and rebuild and shape the travel industry at a time when it needs it the most. The virtual event will focus on restoring and developing business connections, growing your network, your brand and learning how to make your comeback.

The virtual event will take place across three days, from 7am-10pm, to allow access from the different zones across the globe. The live conference sessions and forums will be tackling some of the issues the industry is facing today, as well as speed networking sessions, one-to-one meetings, and virtual networking opportunities. We want to keep the global travel conversation alive and help deliver new connections as well as offering a wide range of online business opportunities.

We will address the impact the global health pandemic has had on the travel and tourism industry and discuss a road map to recovery, identifying the trends and innovation shaping the future of the industry and show you the path that lies ahead.

 

[Badgers]

That is the industry pretty much fucked then