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Coronavirus: music festivals, big gigs, sports events and big gatherings - going ahead and cancelled
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Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
This is something that occurred to me yesterday when talking about football - the way that the implication of this is that the various freedoms that people will be pushing for are likely to end up effectively in competition what's available. So it could come down what you allow - pubs v football v concerts v barbecues in the park v being able to go to the beach. It could get very messy very quickly...
I'm honestly taking all of your post on board I promise.
This is the first time I've heard facts and figures so specific as that
, stuff directly to do with transmission rates at festivals and like events, I mean.But for the time being (note emphasis!) I refuse to give up completely on all events for all of 2021.
I'm not wanting to argue with anyone, not least because I do properly appreciate that 2hats is the realistic (and well-informed) one here
I just want to retain a modest (50-50??) level of hope for next year is all.
For festivaldeb and I, festivals (+ gigs) are pretty much No. 1 of what we live for ... OK some other things too, but it's easier to be realistic intellectually, than it is to overcome being absolutely gutted about all this in real life.
Only a few weeks ago we had a festival season to look forward to.
And I shouldn't have to say this, but yes, I do fully fucking realise that it's not "all about me"
and that there are far bigger things to worry about (jobs, money, health, whatever) -- we're very lucky in many respects and we keep reminding ourselves of this.But still!
Between us (seperately then more recently together), we've been going to festivals and gigs every year since the 1980s
.I'd much rather be skintish and having fun/loving live music (in 2021!) than saving a load of cash like I am at the moment.
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Our Dry April will be over starting tomorrow, mind! 
Relief!!
Relief!!
First (20k+) event I have on my schedule now is not till March 2021. Oddly tickets have sold quite well since the postponement was announced. Only £10 a ticket as an expo not a festival so a bit different.
I still have doubts about it. We may still be looking at limited capacity events in a years time.
I still have doubts about it. We may still be looking at limited capacity events in a years time.
Looby
Well-Known Member
Oh that would be so nice.
phillm
Trolling through Life (TM)
I fear you're right but nobody wants to accept that at the moment. I suppose that applies to all forms of 'mass gatherings' with sleepover festivals being the very end of that spectrum.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Which study is that? I'm completely out of date in this area so a link would be highly appreciated.
phillm
Trolling through Life (TM)
Time to let the young have their jollies and begin to build up herd immunity for us oldies. And they are welcome to their under 30s festival since we will not be invited. It's always been Emilie's masterplan at Glasto to get rid of the oldies who fest-block and dad dance. Obviously dad with his nuclear strength immune system gets a free pass. Can see security saying, are you sure you're 29 having just done a Ronald Reagan strength hair dye and then failing the dubstep dance test.
How would the 20-30-year-old release rule be enforced? Presumably, it would have to be done in the same way as the lockdown that is currently being administered. In other words,
police officers would have to be given the right to fine or arrest those outside the age band who are caught breaking the age rule.
A release of the young might cause jealousy and rebellion among those a little older than the age group released. Such reaction, particularly among those in their early 30s, would
be human and is to be expected. Efforts would have to be made by politicians and others to explain the logic of the release of the young and to offer hope for the future.
How would the 20-30-year-old release rule be enforced? Presumably, it would have to be done in the same way as the lockdown that is currently being administered. In other words,
police officers would have to be given the right to fine or arrest those outside the age band who are caught breaking the age rule.
A release of the young might cause jealousy and rebellion among those a little older than the age group released. Such reaction, particularly among those in their early 30s, would
be human and is to be expected. Efforts would have to be made by politicians and others to explain the logic of the release of the young and to offer hope for the future.
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2hats
Dust.
Shame as it might be to piss on the chips enjoyed by Warwick Business School, but courtesy of our well thought out national housing programme, 30-something% of 20-30 year olds still live with their parents, and some further fraction of those who don't will be living in HMOs (or other close living arrangement) with >30 year olds.
2hats
Dust.
The original work was from Imperial (reports 9 and 13 in March, I believe).
On Wednesday I noticed Peston had some charts of the estimated contributions to Re of various lockdown release options. But it was only on screen for a brief moment. The source of that information would appear to be further work done by (sorry you are going to have to hold your nose here) the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change. Their (20 April) presentation 'A sustainable exit strategy: Managing uncertainty, minimising harm' suggests public events contribute +0.6 to Re (see slide 4 here).
However the slide Peston, which could be even more recent work (maybe), suggests a contribution of +1.0 for public events (so even less likely they would be entertained).
Health warning: no sign of any 'working out' from the TBIfGC. None of their authors appear to have worked on the original Imperial reports. On the graphic that they themselves publish they state "Authors’ calculations based on Imperial College", so take that as you will.
AIUI, Imperial are carrying out further modelling on various release scenarios and the consequent implications for the reproduction number in a new report to be released soon.
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Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
Or next year. 2022 at the earliest, I'd guess.
E2a: and if I'd read as far as 2hats' postings before posting, I wouldn't have had to guess.
Or next year. 2022 at the earliest, I'd guess.
With no scientific or factual basis whatsoever, I'm for the time being refusing to accept this "no festivals until 2022" suggestion.
I'm even, for the time beng, insisting that there'll still be some festivals in 2021" as well.
ETA : Above line corrected to make sense
I have zero grounding for this refusal/insistence ....
Except for the current preservation of my own ultra-residual sanity levels <
x 10,000 > 
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pesh
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Don't worry William, Festivals have already restarted in Europe
liveforlivemusic.com
European Cities Launch Drive-In Concert Series With Great Success [Video]
Cities in Denmark and Lithuania have utilized a loophole in their countries' quarantine restrictions by throwing live concerts set up like a drive-in movie.
liveforlivemusic.com
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
If everyone turned up in old bangers you could even have a mosh pitDon't worry William, Festivals have already restarted in Europe
European Cities Launch Drive-In Concert Series With Great Success [Video]
Cities in Denmark and Lithuania have utilized a loophole in their countries' quarantine restrictions by throwing live concerts set up like a drive-in movie.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
The more I think about it, the more awesome that idea gets.
Just imagine Slayer on stage with a few hundred cars in front all smashing the fuck out of each other
Just imagine Slayer on stage with a few hundred cars in front all smashing the fuck out of each other
pesh
Well-Known Member
'we're doing this for safety reasons'The more I think about it, the more awesome that idea gets.
Just imagine Slayer on stage with a few hundred cars in front all smashing the fuck out of each other
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The more I think about it, the more awesome that idea gets.
Just imagine Slayer on stage with a few hundred cars in front all smashing the fuck out of each other
Turn the windscreen washer nozzles round and you can ‘gob’ at the punk bands...
One designated driver, rest swig from flagons of cider, etc. in the car ... enough cider to make the idea of all crashing out in a cramped car not much of an issue ....
Just for the atmosphere, like
Just for the atmosphere, like
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The Irish Government has just released its phased relaxation of lockdown strategy.
The link to the whole thing is as posted by Boru on the general Coronavirus news and developments thread (not the UK-specific one).
My quote here (below) is just the festivals bit, which is near the end of the summary of the 'road-map' as provided by RTE.
The following is just the paragraph about festivals -- which doesn't seem to include any acknowledgement of how near-to-impossible social distancing can be complied with/enforced at festivals
Bizarre!
I might (generally) be over-prone to optimism, but the above just can't happen in Ireland when they say, and won't!
The link to the whole thing is as posted by Boru on the general Coronavirus news and developments thread (not the UK-specific one).
My quote here (below) is just the festivals bit, which is near the end of the summary of the 'road-map' as provided by RTE.
The following is just the paragraph about festivals -- which doesn't seem to include any acknowledgement of how near-to-impossible social distancing can be complied with/enforced at festivals
Bizarre!
RTE said:
I might (generally) be over-prone to optimism, but the above just can't happen in Ireland when they say, and won't!
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Boru
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The Irish Government has just released its phased relaxation of lockdown strategy.
The link to the whole thing is as posted by Boru on the general Coronavirus news and developments thread (not the UK-specific one).
My link here is just about the festivals bit, which is near the end of the summary of the 'road-map' as provided by RTE.
The following is just the paragraph about festivals -- which doesn't seem to include any acknowledgement of how near-to-impossible social distancing can be complied with/enforced at festivals
Bizarre!
I might be over-prone to optimism, but the above just can't happen in Ireland when they say, and won't!
Yes, all of that plan depends on virus remaining under control and some of it is very light on specifics. It's very much a roadmap and will be interesting to see how first two phases go.
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hiraethified
Just when the air was getting cleaner from fewer people driving, up pops a festival encouraging people to drive :/Don't worry William, Festivals have already restarted in Europe
European Cities Launch Drive-In Concert Series With Great Success [Video]
Cities in Denmark and Lithuania have utilized a loophole in their countries' quarantine restrictions by throwing live concerts set up like a drive-in movie.
I'm honestly taking all of your post on board I promise.
This is the first time I've heard facts and figures so specific as that
But for the time being (note emphasis!) I refuse to give up completely on all events for all of 2021.
I'm not wanting to argue with anyone, not least because I do properly appreciate that 2hats is the realistic (and well-informed) one here
I just want to retain a modest (50-50??) level of hope for next year is all.
For festivaldeb and I, festivals (+ gigs) are pretty much No. 1 of what we live for ... OK some other things too, but it's easier to be realistic intellectually, than it is to overcome being absolutely gutted about all this in real life.
Only a few weeks ago we had a festival season to look forward to.
And I shouldn't have to say this, but yes, I do fully fucking realise that it's not "all about me"
But still!
Between us (seperately then more recently together), we've been going to festivals and gigs every year since the 1980s
I'd much rather be skintish and having fun/loving live music (in 2021!) than saving a load of cash like I am at the moment.
can you imagine what is like for say a 20 yr old who loves live music, etc. You have had a very very good run.
mx wcfc
Well-Known Member
but we did when we were 20, eh.
klang
klang
music was sublime then.
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hiraethified
20 years olds have an infinitely larger choice of festivals to attend - both in the UK and abroad - so even if they miss out a couple of years, they'll still be able to go to shitloads more festivals that what was on offer in my time. The lucky bleeders.
