planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Well I've just cancelled Christmas seeing my grandchildren and aren't I Mr Fucking Popular now.
Fuck this shit.
Fuck this shit.
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Bit odd to at least not give it a month of tier 3.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I stuck him on ignore, he's a fucking pain all over these boards atm, doesn't contribute anything useful at all, just dickhead comments.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I'll probably have something to say once I've seen the per-trust hospital data later today.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Sucks you had to make the decision, and suffer also the fallout of it
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
We have tier 3 coming at us from most directions, East Sussex, Hampshire to the west & Surrey to the north.
Thank fuck we've got the sea to the south.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Sucks you had to make the decision, and suffer also the fallout of it
Thanks. And tell me about it. Lots of people involved (which was the fucking problem) so yeah. It shouldn't even have had to be my decision. If people were thinking sensibly. This is an extended family who have been bang on up to now. But, y'know. Christmas.
I've had enough of today already. I'm going off to have an unashamed cry.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Good on you for making the right decision, especially knowing it would disappoint people.
Hopefully they will appreciate why you did it once the initial disappointment wears off, and you will be able to enjoy many more xmases together in the future.
Yeah same. Just a never ending stream of worthless drivel.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Think that's fair enough.
I think it's the fact it's a decision that we're having to make as individuals that makes it so hard for people to accept. Various members of my family have missed birthdays and Christmases in the past because they were abroad, or in hospital, or otherwise unavailable, and people were sad but dealt with it.
But when I told my mum I wouldn't be visiting for her or my dad's birthdays in November (they're a week apart) she took it very personally and got very upset. So much so that, after a minor mental meltdown and, indeed, a bit of a cry, I caved and swung by for a couple of hours one evening.
But yeah, as andysays, um, says (
), fair play for taking the decision and making that hard call. There will be other opportunities, and that's why you're doing it* 
*at the risk of making assumptions about your reasons
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
Tough decision, but if you have things you care about there's no other choice.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
We have tier 3 coming at us from most directions, East Sussex, Hampshire to the west & Surrey to the north.
Thank fuck we've got the sea to the south.
Well, if the rest of the year is anything to go by, the giant mutant killer lobsters will be emerging from the sea about now.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Well, if the rest of the year is anything to go by, the giant mutant killer lobsters will be emerging from the sea about now.
I could cope with that, it's farmerbarleymow's giant mutant killer seagulls I worry about.
Yeah, I don't want to say whether it was a good decesion or a bad one it just looks odd.
In the space of 6 or 7 weeks Bristol has gone from tier 1 to lockdown to tier 3 and now to tier 2. Are things really changing that rapidly on the ground? Bit odd.
Don't know if anyone heard it at the time but near the start of Covid (I think, time's gone a bit weird), a woman was interviewed on the Today programme whose husband had Covid and who was in an induced coma and near death. He pulled through against the odds and after spending a very long time in hospital. Anyway, he was interviewed this morning with his wife. He was quite candid about the long-term and permanent consequences of the illness -- like his kidneys being shot, his lungs being in a bad way and having some fingers amputated. It's sobering stuff and another reminder (if one were needed) of why all these measures are in place.
Covid: 'Miracle' survivor Mal Martin feared his life was over
Mal Martin's family were told there was almost zero chance of survival after he contracted Covid-19.
www.bbc.co.uk
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elbows
Well-Known Member
I still havent had a chance to look at all the data but when I do I expect to see some which indicates how they were able to make the decision.
This doesnt mean I will agree with that decision or most other decisions, since I mostly favoured a continuation of national measures throughout winter.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I have gone looking for the 'data packs' that support the tier decisions yet, but I have skimmed through the tedious paragraphs of info about each location, which are below Hancocks statement on this page:
www.gov.uk
Its not impressive stuff. Northampton has often bothered me during this pandemic and thats true of this wave. So I dont really consider it appropriate for them to be in tier 2, and I dont think the attempt to justify that is convincing:
The Bristol stuff is hardly convincing either:
By contrast, places like Milton Keynes have also bothered me in data over the last month, and here is their explanation for increasing the tier there:
Maybe the data packs will be slightly more compelling to me, if I ever find them.
Review of local restriction tiers: 17 December 2020
A written statement from the Health and Social Care Secretary to the House of Commons giving an update on local restriction tiers in England.
Its not impressive stuff. Northampton has often bothered me during this pandemic and thats true of this wave. So I dont really consider it appropriate for them to be in tier 2, and I dont think the attempt to justify that is convincing:
The Bristol stuff is hardly convincing either:
By contrast, places like Milton Keynes have also bothered me in data over the last month, and here is their explanation for increasing the tier there:
Maybe the data packs will be slightly more compelling to me, if I ever find them.
kalidarkone
Bringing YOU round.....
Its a stupid fucking decision imo.
As restrictions are being lifted for 5 days over Christmas it would have been a better idea to put everyone in tier 3 before and after.
Bristol will just be having a huge party from Saturday onwards.....
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
The new tier area map for England.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Not good. Time to cancel Christmas.
11,000 of those new cases were from prior to yesterday, a backlog in reporting from Wales.
Still grim, but not as grim as it appears.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yes the magically reappearing Wales case data affects todays figure in a notable way, ie most of the large red area in todays bar on this chart:
However, when looking at case graphs by date of test specimen instead of by date of reporting, which is not distorted by the Wales backlog being reported in a single day, there is still a bad recent spike, and its a spike where England is responsible for the bulk of it.
Not long left till the media make much of the 2 million positive UK cases milestone I guess.
elbows
Well-Known Member
A few more crappy paragraphs from the tier decisions page mentioned earlier.
A fine example of describing a deteriorating situation but not doing anything about it:
Here in Warwickshire there was plenty of moaning at the county level and from MPS in the south of the county, and the wording of the Warwickshire stuff seems entirely focussed on that. First they gave Coventry and Solihull their own entries rather than lumping them in with Warwickshire, because they were lumped together last time (probably because of data about travel & work patterns) and people moaned about that. But giving those places their own entry doesnt really mean the decisions for these areas are entirely decoupled behind the scenes. And then the Warwickshire paragraph fails to mention the northern areas of Warwickshire at all, and fousses on the bits of South Warwickshire where MPs were moaning. I also include this as an example of them justifying an area to remain in tier 3:
All in all and regardless of how many different indicators they claim to use to make these decisions, it still seems to fit the simple story of the government mostly only caring about hospitals being completely overwhelmed, and only getting tough with measures when that prospect looms large in the near future. They certainly have not learnt from the various SAGE recommendations about quickly doing enough to stop situations declining rather than waiting till the same bad picture emerges everywhere that has too weak restrictions. They've learnt to pay lip service to those concepts, but not much more.
A fine example of describing a deteriorating situation but not doing anything about it:
Here in Warwickshire there was plenty of moaning at the county level and from MPS in the south of the county, and the wording of the Warwickshire stuff seems entirely focussed on that. First they gave Coventry and Solihull their own entries rather than lumping them in with Warwickshire, because they were lumped together last time (probably because of data about travel & work patterns) and people moaned about that. But giving those places their own entry doesnt really mean the decisions for these areas are entirely decoupled behind the scenes. And then the Warwickshire paragraph fails to mention the northern areas of Warwickshire at all, and fousses on the bits of South Warwickshire where MPs were moaning. I also include this as an example of them justifying an area to remain in tier 3:
All in all and regardless of how many different indicators they claim to use to make these decisions, it still seems to fit the simple story of the government mostly only caring about hospitals being completely overwhelmed, and only getting tough with measures when that prospect looms large in the near future. They certainly have not learnt from the various SAGE recommendations about quickly doing enough to stop situations declining rather than waiting till the same bad picture emerges everywhere that has too weak restrictions. They've learnt to pay lip service to those concepts, but not much more.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I know it's all shit but you're doing your bit to make it less shit for everyone and that's really all there is to be done.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Am I being unreasonable in thinking my brother’s family should not be going to see grandparents in Devon? They’re in Leeds (Tier 3) and Devon is 2. Also visiting is SIL’s sister’s family from London (T3). Don’t know why they don’t all just stay put.
Thora
Differently Ethical
They’re following the rules. A lot of people will be.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
The rules do not make sense. I’m talking common sense.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Similar story with my family. I don't get it either. Most of the people involved have long since had the virus and recovered (although my sister is convinced she got in January, which seems pretty
to me) but that's not really the point is it?
Smangus
comatose at a desk
Another change of rules just making things more confusing. Plus another load of mixed messages from Johnson and his coterie of cunts. People are having to make decisions based on their own perceptions of risk which is why we see these disparities in behaviour. Those at the lower end are also driven by the spetre of xmas spirit, god knows how many older relatives are going to get infected by visiting grandkids etc.
The schools are rife with it atm, my parents, inlaws and us are all having quiet times at home with no visitors. It hurts obvs but not as much as ending up in an ICU. Hopefully we can make up for it at Easter.
The schools are rife with it atm, my parents, inlaws and us are all having quiet times at home with no visitors. It hurts obvs but not as much as ending up in an ICU. Hopefully we can make up for it at Easter.
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