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So apparently in tier 3 cat cafe type places van still open, despite being cafes as they can class themselves as animal attractions.

So cafes in which people tend to actively get up and walk around in can open but ones ones where people tend to stay at their table can't.

I normally just shut my shoulders at little inconsistencies in the rules as they are bound to happen. Bit this one is bugging me for some reason.

Probably juts pure self interest as I do like to go out for a coffee when working in the office. Can't stand sitting in the office all day.
 
So apparently in tier 3 cat cafe type places van still open, despite being cafes as they can class themselves as animal attractions.

So cafes in which people tend to actively get up and walk around in can open but ones ones where people tend to stay at their table can't.

I normally just shut my shoulders at little inconsistencies in the rules as they are bound to happen. Bit this one is bugging me for some reason.

Probably juts pure self interest as I do like to go out for a coffee when working in the office. Can't stand sitting in the office all day.
Cat cafes. Totnes?
 
I haven't lost faith in humanity at all - there is something quite concerning going on atm though - partly to do with isolation and fatigue, how that's affected by a collapse of trust in national and local politicians etc. I think people will mostly toe the line, but much less willingly than they did first time round.
 
Tier two confuses me, according to the BBC...


  • You will not be allowed to mix with anyone from outside your household or support bubble indoors, either in a private home or a public place.


Whereas under the current lockdown:

  • You can meet one other person at a time from another household, in an outdoors public place (such as a park, a street, countryside, an allotment or a children's playground).


So tier two forbids even this???
 
Tier two confuses me, according to the BBC...


  • You will not be allowed to mix with anyone from outside your household or support bubble indoors, either in a private home or a public place.


Whereas under the current lockdown:

  • You can meet one other person at a time from another household, in an outdoors public place (such as a park, a street, countryside, an allotment or a children's playground).


So tier two forbids even this???
'indoors' is a key ingredient to the first statement
 
Tier two confuses me, according to the BBC...


  • You will not be allowed to mix with anyone from outside your household or support bubble indoors, either in a private home or a public place.


Whereas under the current lockdown:

  • You can meet one other person at a time from another household, in an outdoors public place (such as a park, a street, countryside, an allotment or a children's playground).


So tier two forbids even this???
One is indoors the other is outdoors
 
Tier two confuses me, according to the BBC...


  • You will not be allowed to mix with anyone from outside your household or support bubble indoors, either in a private home or a public place.


Whereas under the current lockdown:

  • You can meet one other person at a time from another household, in an outdoors public place (such as a park, a street, countryside, an allotment or a children's playground).


So tier two forbids even this???
The first bit is talking about private or public indoor space.
Second is public outdoors.
 
Tier two confuses me, according to the BBC...


  • You will not be allowed to mix with anyone from outside your household or support bubble indoors, either in a private home or a public place.


Whereas under the current lockdown:

  • You can meet one other person at a time from another household, in an outdoors public place (such as a park, a street, countryside, an allotment or a children's playground).


So tier two forbids even this???

No - you must not socialise in a group of more than 6 people outside, including in a garden or a public space – this is called the ‘rule of 6’

 
how about this one? My facebook is awash with this total madness...

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There are people who would read things being posted on here about restrictions being too lax, and people's lives being sacrificed for the sake of economic ideology, and schools only going back so people can go back to work and earn the mates of people in the government more ££££ and so on and similarly consider it madness.
 
how about this one? My facebook is awash with this total madness...

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In fairness economic reasons have led the Government response to this leading to some fucking stupid decisions being made because £££. Universities spring immediately to mind.

I have absolutely no doubt at all that economic arguments will have been prominent in the discussion about Tiers too. Not at as crudely as that FB post suggests, and with less room for manoeuvre, but still there and preeminent.
 
2 questions - So can posh folk go to their second homes? Expect a rush of people down to Cornwall.
- when are the distribution of tiers being reviewed?
 
In fairness economic reasons have led the Government response to this leading to some fucking stupid decisions being made because £££. Universities spring immediately to mind.

I have absolutely no doubt at all that economic arguments will have been prominent in the discussion about Tiers too. Not at as crudely as that FB post suggests, and with less room for manoeuvre, but still there and preeminent.

It's the lack of logic and reasoning in people's thinking that has done my head in tbh. Like a complete inability to see how some things connect. And to not understand risk, or how their actions might impact on other people. That and then add in a mix of conspiracy ideas (which are frighteningly common, even if they're not full blown 5G/it's all a fake) and I fucking despair sometimes.

(Yeah, I get the reasons why and it's not people's fault etc. etc. But fucking hell it's hard work and really quite depressing.)
 
2 questions - So can posh folk go to their second homes? Expect a rush of people down to Cornwall.

Yes but only in tier 1 & 2 and you're obliged to follow the rules of the tier you actually live in when you get there. So for example it would be OK for a couple who live in South Kensington to go to their third home in Cornwall but not OK for them to mix with other people indoors when they get there. Its unclear whether they would have to order a meal with every glass of chilled Chablais.
 
Seems an odd thing to have a dig at killer b for teuchter since he's one of the consistently more rational and less ideologically driven posters on here regarding this stuff
 
In fairness economic reasons have led the Government response to this leading to some fucking stupid decisions being made because £££. Universities spring immediately to mind.

I have absolutely no doubt at all that economic arguments will have been prominent in the discussion about Tiers too. Not at as crudely as that FB post suggests, and with less room for manoeuvre, but still there and preeminent.
In fairness almost all mad shit people post on facebook has some starting point in reality.
 
Like he's been one of the people pointing out that the less restrictive...er...restrictions like estate agents being open aren't all about the economy over lives and all that and had a logic behind it and stuff so it just seemed weird.
 
It's the lack of logic and reasoning in people's thinking that has done my head in tbh. Like a complete inability to see how some things connect. And to not understand risk, or how their actions might impact on other people. That and then add in a mix of conspiracy ideas (which are frighteningly common, even if they're not full blown 5G/it's all a fake) and I fucking despair sometimes.

(Yeah, I get the reasons why and it's not people's fault etc. etc. But fucking hell it's hard work and really quite depressing.)
We have 4 governments making rules, at times seemingly quite arbitrarily, and varying numbers of tiers within different areas within the 4 countries. We are told what the rules were, what they are now, what they will be and now what they will be at Christmas and then after that later on. Further speculation on how things may be when a vaccine kicks in. How all this affects different ages, different social groups etc The information comes from a government which often doesn't know what is going on, which is as corrupt as hell and which lies through its teeth. Filtered through a right wing media with libertarian tendencies. Add to that mix anti-vax, 5g nutters and all the other conspiracy freaks and I'm not at all surprised that some people are confused and will grasp at anything supposedly straightforward. Mostly they are not fully committed to whatever's it is, just temporarily that way aligned.
 
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