Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[quiet guy]

Tier 4 - Your fooked
Tier 5 - We're doomed

 

[souljacker]

Does a children's party (5 10yr olds and 1 adult at a restaurant) get an exemption based on this:

for supervised activities provided for children, including wraparound care (before and after-school childcare), groups and activities for under 18s, and children’s playgroups

My daughter has had so many things cancelled this year that I really don't want to have to cancel something else.

 

[editor]

Yeah, my feeling is that restaurants and gastro pubs will be able to make it work. The vast majority of places won't so it'll either be stay shut (assuming they can get some government support) or game the system. The latter seems very likely.

The government have made it clear they don't want pubs to be open so they should just close them and compensate them. The substantial meal is a stupid rule and stupid rules invite stupid responses.

I was talking to one desperate local venue owner and he was thinking of essentially just throwing in some cheap food and more or less operating as before (with the same social distancing/non mixing rules). Can't say I blame him. With no time limit, you could order a pasty and chips and then essentially spend a regular night boozing down the pub until close.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I've already had 2 whatsapp messages moaning that Worthing is in tier 2, because we have under 75 cases/100k as per all the tier 1 areas, yes, but West Sussex county is on 106 cases, and it needs to be done at county level, not borough/district council areas.

Whilst checking figures, I was surprised to see the three urban council areas in West Sussex are all on under 100 cases, whereas the 4 rural council areas are on over 100.

 

[LDC]

Local areas can add more restrictions as they see fit I believe.

I think that was the 'old' tier system, I think with this one there's a single set of restrictions across the board.

 

[sojourner]

Blimey - was fully expecting to be put back into Tier 3 again. Feel strangely pleased about being in Tier 2. This is what passes for a good time these days!

 

[LDC]

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[cupid_stunt]

The Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital is struggling, so the Exeter Nightingale Hospital is opening for covid cases.

Coronavirus: Exeter Nightingale to get first patients

The emergency field hospital will get patients from the "very busy" Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[prunus]

Does a children's party (5 10yr olds and 1 adult at a restaurant) get an exemption based on this:



My daughter has had so many things cancelled this year that I really don't want to have to cancel something else.

I'm afraid not, no; sorry

 

[killer b]

there's also a political partisan aspect to it too, with one incomplete story shared by the lockdown sceptics, denialists & tories, and another incomplete story being shared by the other side.

Immediate example of this kind of stuff this afternoon, as people go wild at Lancashire being tier 3, claiming it's to punish Andy Burnham, or to punish Labour voting regions, etc etc. Total madness.

 

[elbows]

Even though Burnham says that based purely on the data, they should indeed be in tier 3 at the moment.

 

[killer b]

yeah it's not based on reality, only partisan newsfeeds and a frustrated longing for the pub.

 

[20Bees]

I’m probably missing it but when is the new tier system to be reviewed?

 

[Sue]

I’m probably missing it but when is the new tier system to be reviewed?

It's just going to go on forever. (Or maybe it just feels like that.... )

 

[MickiQ]

We were in Tier 2 before lockdown but emerging into Tier 3
Mrs Q 's parents in Merseyside were in Tier 3 but are now in Tier 2, we haven't actually visited them since LAST Xmas now, Mrs Q's mum was moaning at weekend that they haven't seen their youngest great-grandchild (born in July) yet because of the lurgy

 

[Teaboy]

I’m probably missing it but when is the new tier system to be reviewed?

Every two weeks I believe but that probably needs double checking.

 

[Sue]

Every two weeks I believe but that probably needs double checking.

It's just going to go on forever. (Or maybe it just feels like that.... )

 

[frogwoman]

We're in Tier 2. We were in Tier 1 last time and cases were exploding by the time of lockdown because 'we don't have any cases here it's fine'

 

[cupid_stunt]

Every two weeks I believe but that probably needs double checking.

That's what sky was reporting, seems sensible as it takes a couple of weeks to see the impact.

 

[MickiQ]

Immediate example of this kind of stuff this afternoon, as people go wild at Lancashire being tier 3, claiming it's to punish Andy Burnham, or to punish Labour voting regions, etc etc. Total madness.

That's bollocks, I'm no fan of Boris but he's not Trump, get things wrong definitely but not collective punishment because he's annoyed at a specific individual

 

[Teaboy]

That's what sky was reporting, seems sensible as it takes a couple of weeks to see the impact.

Yeah and they were too slow last time around to move regions into higher tiers so it needs to be pretty responsive and fluid.

 

[MrSki]

That's what sky was reporting, seems sensible as it takes a couple of weeks to see the impact.

But first review not for three weeks from today (16/12/20) & then weekly according to an answer from Hancock in HoCs The special Xmas rules will be in the middle of this so really apart from Xmas these tiers are until next year at the earliest.

edited to correct date.

 

[LDC]

Mass testing for everyone in Tier 3 areas is supposed to be available. All 23 million or so of us. I won't hold my breath for that to work well....

News is also a rolling stream of business owners moaning about how whatever Tier they're in is unfair and they should be allowed to open.

 

[LDC]

Also the news is now full of different variations on the Xmas bubbles (fuck I hate that term already) for Scotland and England. I thought the whole point was to have the same rules across the board?!

 

[killer b]

That's bollocks, I'm no fan of Boris but he's not Trump, get things wrong definitely but not collective punishment because he's annoyed at a specific individual

how about this one? My facebook is awash with this total madness...

 

[QueenOfGoths]

Tier 2 here and local Facebook groups are already plagued by people who

a. Work in Slough (neighbouring borough in tier 3)
b. Work with people who live in Slough

And want to know WHAT WILL HAPPEN!!!

My understanding is that you can still travel to or from Tier 3 for work. But that doesn't look as good written in capitals!!

 

[belboid]

how about this one? My facebook is awash with this total madness...

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Where the fuck do you find these people?

 

[Teaboy]

how about this one? My facebook is awash with this total madness...

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In fairness I reckon the London economy at Christmas was a very big factor in the tier 2 decision. The situation in some of the boroughs is pretty bad.

 

[LDC]

how about this one? My facebook is awash with this total madness...

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This pandemic has really killed much of my faith in humans tbh. So much fucking idiocy around.

 

[killer b]

Where the fuck do you find these people?

friends, friends of friends. not all of them were totally insane 6 months ago.