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A sensitive subject, so positive spin drives activated at the BBC:

www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus: Scientists to map hospital spread

UK researchers want to pin down how Covid-19 can spread in hospitals despite best efforts to stop it.
www.bbc.co.uk

Scientists are to map the spread of Covid in over 15 UK hospitals, to see how it can defeat even the best infection-control defences.
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Spare me the laughable framing, even the best infection-control defences, best efforts, bah. There is less of that varnishing when the people involved talk about it:

Prof Judith Breuer, who is leading the work, said: "By sequencing Covid-19 viruses rapidly, we hope to establish how hospital staff and patients became infected.

"This will allow hospitals to put effective measures in place faster, to try to interrupt onward transmission of the virus and reduce the number and size of outbreaks."
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I found another article about the hospital genome study. Here are a few of the quotes from Judith Breuer that didnt make it to the BBC article at the time of me writing this. I simply can't imagine why the BBC left some of these out, honest.

www.largsandmillportnews.com

Spread of coronavirus mapped in hospitals to ‘break the chain’ of transmission

The study could help the NHS reduce transmission by determining if an individual caught the virus from someone else in the same hospital.
www.largsandmillportnews.com www.largsandmillportnews.com

Spread of Covid-19 infections in hospitals is now recognised to be a major problem for both healthcare workers and patients, and breaking the chain of these transmissions is critical.
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“Despite these measures, Covid-19 transmission to patients and staff is still occurring and has sadly proven fatal.

“So it is essential that we try out new tools such as viral sequencing to find out why this is happening and to help reduce hospital spread.”
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A much fairer reflection of reality from the BBC here:

Inspectors have demanded improvements from a hospital after a report highlighted a number of failings over Covid-19 precautions.
The Care Quality Commission inspected the emergency department and medical wards at the William Harvey Hospital in Ashford, Kent, on 11 August.
Staff were seen to be wearing masks incorrectly, not using hand sanitiser and not adhering to social distancing.
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Ted Baker, Chief Inspector of Hospitals, said: "It is extremely disappointing to find that despite being warned about their hygiene, not enough work had been carried out to address infection control issues within the trust.
"It is particularly concerning during a time when infection control could never have been more important.
"Following the inspection, we reported our findings to the trust so its leaders know what they must address. We used our enforcement powers by imposing conditions on the trust's registration, to ensure people are safe."
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www.bbc.co.uk

East Kent Hospitals Trust: Covid-19 practice failings revealed by inspection

Staff wore PPE incorrectly and sanitiser bottles were left empty at the William Harvey Hospital.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
wrt to hospitals / covid .

I know that on "Tyneside" there was a plan to keep at least the Freeman "covid-free"

Since Bezza's been at Cramlington (that's Northumberland's specialist A&E) I think that may be in the same category [or the internal precautions / divisions are intended to be better - the design is "nuclear" with lots of individual rooms / small units]
I'll report back when I know more].
 
xenon said:
This is very much a er, live issue, for me as I'm sad to say my dad passed away in the early hours of Saturday morning.

It's going to be particularly shit if I can't sit next to my sister. Which is what the crem, Croydon in this case, information suggests. Mourners must wear masks and stay 2M apart for the duration of the service.
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Very sorry to hear this xenon. I hope the funeral goes as well as it can for you and your sister.
 
They've lost control of it (again), haven't they ?

Bliddy 'ell weepiper - that is a huge leap in cases.

I repeat what I've said before - you can't have hospitality, (esp pubs) and education (esp the universities) both open. Only one of them at a time. IMO the lockdown relaxations have been done too quickly and too widely.

I don't want it without the furlough scheme being extended, the economy is already suffering - but Sunak's new scheme isn't much help - We really need another three or four weeks of a very strict lockdown.
 
Sheffield may we’ll be back in lockdown by tonight, it’s definitely coming very soon. The only reason it isn’t already is because the big rise is (shock, horror) due to lots and lots of students having it, but since they’re being pretty much isolated away from the wider community we’re getting an extra day or two to play.
 
StoneRoad said:
We really need another three or four weeks of a very strict lockdown.
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We really, really do.

I can currently hear a housemate sneezing outside my room door. One housemate keeps having her boyfriend to visit from Nottingham, wandering about the house sans mask. I'm expected to go to work on site with too many people for the space and facilities we have. Public transport is way too crowded to be able to keep your distance, given that there are so many dick-noses about.

I know that's all me, me, me, but there must be a great many risks, similar or different, that people are being subjected to, in this clown car crash.

No one can reasonably claim we don't have the benefit of hindsight, now. There are lots of roads to disaster, but the economic ones are all fixable, if there's the will to do it. Deaths and long-term debilitation aren't.
 
xenon said:
This is very much a er, live issue, for me as I'm sad to say my dad passed away in the early hours of Saturday morning.

It's going to be particularly shit if I can't sit next to my sister. Which is what the crem, Croydon in this case, information suggests. Mourners must wear masks and stay 2M apart for the duration of the service.
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Very sorry to hear of your loss, my dad passed at the beginning of April - we couldn't cremate him for six weeks.

At the service at Croydon crem we had to basically sit on individual rows (which was awful for my mum) wear the masks etc.

The whole thing felt very clinical and was over in a flash, btw no flowers were allowed either - don't know if the rules have changed since then.

Still not been able to have a get together with all the family - so the whole situation feels unresolved.
 
Not recommending that people who shielded in the past return to staying indoors only. But they should be careful, especially in the central belt.

The new hospitality rules are quite complicated so I wont try to describe them properly now. But as a preview, alcohol indoors is not an option for a bit, times are restricted and there are a lot of closures for the central belt.
 
belboid said:
Sheffield may we’ll be back in lockdown by tonight, it’s definitely coming very soon. The only reason it isn’t already is because the big rise is (shock, horror) due to lots and lots of students having it, but since they’re being pretty much isolated away from the wider community we’re getting an extra day or two to play.
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I heard Saturday. Will be interested to read the exact details of what "lockdown" means.
 
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