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That's what I meant. Most bars do some type of food, even if only croissants to go with your morning coffee.

Early prohibition era bars serving a free beer with a $2* wurst.

*conversion may not be exact.

There are probably ways around that though.
 
As someone who has recently been to a funeral, this must been particularly awful...


That's the crematiorium where we had my mum's funeral - it looks a bit different there now.
I don't recall anyone there being anything other than respectful then, so I'd guess they were just trying to get everything right.

I hope they do change the rules for funerals - if six people from different households are allowed to sit next to each other in a pub, it seems particularly cruel that two or three family members from different households can't sit closer than 2m at a funeral. (if indeed those are rules, and not insensitively interpreted 'guidance').
 
That's the crematiorium where we had my mum's funeral - it looks a bit different there now.
I don't recall anyone there being anything other than respectful then, so I'd guess they were just trying to get everything right.

I hope they do change the rules for funerals - if six people from different households are allowed to sit next to each other in a pub, it seems particularly cruel that two or three family members from different households can't sit closer than 2m at a funeral. (if indeed those are rules, and not insensitively interpreted 'guidance').

I don't really understand what happened here. I don't think MK is under any special measures so surely the rule of 6 people from different households mixing would have applied here? Are there different rules for funerals? Seems like either an oversight in the law or a misinterpretation by the crem.
 
I don't really understand what happened here. I don't think MK is under any special measures so surely the rule of 6 people from different households mixing would have applied here? Are there different rules for funerals? Seems like either an oversight in the law or a misinterpretation by the crem.
The 6 people still have to social distance though, don’t they?
 
What I think is really needed is different rules for pubs than for restaurants/cafes people behave different in pubs. Will not happen as they don't have the nerve and there is the problem of where you draw the line. I have not been out at busy times but even then I can see a defence in behaviour. People in pups are just more lax on distancing and table service.

It completely depends on the pub though - a small local differs from a large chain, a gastro pub differs from a city center bar. There's no one size fits all
 
The 6 people still have to social distance though, don’t they?

That may well be it but no one sits a metre a way from each other when in a group in a cafe or whatever. The groups are just split from each other, so not sure why it would be different in a crem.

Seems a bit over zealous from the crem. I went to a funeral a few weeks back where the numbers were limited and and there was space for the chairs to be moved to small groups. No one questioned whether that family of four all still lived together etc. I mean lets face it they likely will have been a lot of hugs and embraces flying around anyway.
 
Went for the flu jab today at my local clinic. Everything was well organised, with an easy-to-use touchscreen display for each injectee to confirm their attendance, an information board propped up outside telling you in large type to be ready with your jacket off and sleeve rolled up, floor stickers showing where to stand.

But funny to hear the grumbling in the queue: bloody ridiculous this is, I'm not touching that screen you do it. The old are bigger snowflakes than the young!
 
Went for the flu jab today at my local clinic. Everything was well organised, with an easy-to-use touchscreen display for each injectee to confirm their attendance, an information board propped up outside telling you in large type to be ready with your jacket off and sleeve rolled up, floor stickers showing where to stand.

But funny to hear the grumbling in the queue: bloody ridiculous this is, I'm not touching that screen you do it. The old are bigger snowflakes than the young!
"The old" sound pretty sensible to me...can't think of anything better designed to spread virus than a doctor's touchscreen, tbh.
 
"The old" sound pretty sensible to me...can't think of anything better designed to spread virus than a doctor's touchscreen, tbh.

Should have added: one of the clinic admin people was hovering around to clean the screen with a medicated wipe. The grumbling was not justified but maybe that's one of the pleasures of old age - I'll know soon enough!
 
Should have added: one of the clinic admin people was hovering around to clean the screen with a medicated wipe. The grumbling was not justified but maybe that's one of the pleasures of old age - I'll know soon enough!
Yeah, the hollowed out alienation of the neoliberal, consolidator state's reluctant provision of socialised healthcare; rather than employ someone to meet/greet and register patients...just use a MaccaDee-style germ spreading screen that requires constant cleaning.

A personal irritant, as you can probably tell.
 
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Yeah, the hollowed out alienation of the neoliberal, consolidator state's reluctant provision of socialised healthcare; rather than employ someone to meet/greet and register patients...just use a MaccaDee-style germs-reading screen that requires constant cleaning.

A personal irritant, as you can probably tell.

This is what mine did. Loads of staff, all very slick, was in and out within five minutes.
 
Yeah, the hollowed out alienation of the neoliberal, consolidator state's reluctant provision of socialised healthcare; rather than employ someone to meet/greet and register patients...just use a MaccaDee-style germs-reading screen that requires constant cleaning.

A personal irritant, as you can probably tell.

The clinic did have the usual admin staff in attendance. If the screen cuts down on talking time inside the clinic, that means less airborne droplets per visitor. People were in and out of there very quickly.
 
He's just picked a date by when it's almost certain that he'll no longer be prime minister.

I couldn't bear to actually listen to him but just read some of the highlights of his speech and he really is a tedious unfunny wanker isn't he. The country's falling to pieces and he's making jokes about leg wrestling. I wish he'd just fucking fuck off.
 
The clinic did have the usual admin staff in attendance. If the screen cuts down on talking time inside the clinic, that means less airborne droplets per visitor. People were in and out of there very quickly.
Yes, I'm aware that I'm coming across as a grumpy old Luddite; it's just that I see people touching screens and shudder that doctors' think it's progress.

FWIW, when called to my jab I'm going to carry an iPad pen/thing/jabber with me just in case they insist on screen work.
 
Yes, I'm aware that I'm coming across as a grumpy old Luddite; it's just that I see people touching screens and shudder that doctors' think it's progress.

FWIW, when called to my jab I'm going to carry an iPad pen/thing/jabber with me just in case they insist on screen work.

I share your dislike of touchscreens in many settings where they've replaced even very brief forms of human contact and acknowledgment, like in supermarkets.
 
The 6 people still have to social distance though, don’t they?

No the law states...

Exemptions include cases where a single household or support bubble is larger than six people. The rule also does not apply to gatherings for work or education purposes, and to other gatherings including weddings, funerals, and team sports organised in a COVID-19 secure way.

Venues following COVID-19 secure guidelines – such as places of worships, gyms, restaurants and other hospitality venues – can still hold more than six people in total. But within those venues, there must not be individual groups larger than six, and groups must not mix socially or form larger groups.

A chapel, including those at a crematorium, are a place of worship, so groups of six are OK, as long as they socially distance from others attending, that's what's happening around here, according to my funeral director mate.

The crematorium in this case is barking mad to think a group of six can sit together in a pub, but not at a funeral. Although it does sound like their funeral directors are partly to blame, for not making their needs known to the crematorium.

Even more nuts, according to BBC TV news report just aired, the sons had already moved in with their mother, to support her back in mid Sept., so were one household anyway. :facepalm:

The guidance, not law, says you should stay 2 metres apart from people you do not live with or 1 metre with extra precautions, such as a face covering.

Everyone should continue to follow guidance on:

  • Washing your hands regularly and for 20 seconds
  • Wearing a face covering in settings where it is required and where it is difficult to maintain social distancing
  • Staying 2 metres apart from people you do not live with or 1 metre with extra precautions, such as a face covering

 
Oh FFS, 14,542 new cases today!

I thought they had dealt with the back-log, so this is the actual figure?

And, 76 new deaths, but that's catching-up on the lag from the weekend, last Tuesday it was 71.

They dealt with the error-related backlog but there is always some reporting delay so the daily number has never reflected the number of positive samples taken on one particular day.

But yeah as I said yesterday, Saturdays number was actually somewhat indicative of what the new normal really was at that time, and it was only Sundays over 20,000 number that was distorted so massively by the error-correction catchup.

I guess I will repeat my colour-coding exercise in this thread again but with a fresh graph for UK positive tests by specimen date. Blue is everything reported up to and including yesterdays data release, green is where the positive tests reported today fit into the picture by specimen date.

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If we attempt a vague mental exercise of imagining how additional data will add to this picture, it is possible to imagine that even by specimen date there will soon be days showing up that hit 14,000 or more by specimen date. I might therefore tentatively conclude that the daily reported number has probably returned to being a reasonable proxy for how many positive tests by specimen date there really were around that day.
 
They dealt with the error-related backlog but there is always some reporting delay so the daily number has never reflected the number of positive samples taken on one particular day.

But yeah as I said yesterday, Saturdays number was actually somewhat indicative of what the new normal really was at that time, and it was only Sundays over 20,000 number that was distorted so massively by the error-correction catchup.

I guess I will repeat my colour-coding exercise in this thread again but with a fresh graph for UK positive tests by specimen date. Blue is everything reported up to and including yesterdays data release, green is where the positive tests reported today fit into the picture by specimen date.

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If we attempt a vague mental exercise of imagining how additional data will add to this picture, it is possible to imagine that even by specimen date there will soon be days showing up that hit 14,000 or more by specimen date. I might therefore tentatively conclude that the daily reported number has probably returned to being a reasonable proxy for how many positive tests by specimen date there really were around that day.
To the untrained eye, it does look as though the month of August took us from low fluctuating flat-lining to the "preconditions got take-off". The Sunak legacy?
 
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