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Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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Johnny Doe
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Our old local Irish pub has posted Facebook posts advertising their St Patrick's Day entertainment tonight, then posted that 2 of the acts have pulled out due to 'health and safety reasons' and then proudly posted replacement acts!
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
they dont have a strategy or any sort of thought through plan. They are still trying to wing it - im guessing its an attempt to keep the economy going. But this a situation that requires the complete mobilisation of the full capacity of the state at every level combined with properly coordinated community responses - essentially world war 2 level stuff. Every other country has jumped on this big style from the start - i am thoroughly unconvinced that johnsons and his mates - with their hard for "creative chaos" and social darwinism - have come up with a better solution.
The UK had a higely valuable notice period of at least 6 weeks to plan - and they've have clearly done nothing. There is no contingency planning - its all being done on the hoof.
Why the fuck are they keeping schools open? They will start closing themselves by the end of the week anyway. Where it the proper public information campaign? Why haven't they worked with supermarkets to prevent panic buying? Why aren't they tackling online misinformation? Where is the mitigation for the huge impact it will have on people's livelihoods? And - most glaringly - planning for ventilators and testing?
The UK had a higely valuable notice period of at least 6 weeks to plan - and they've have clearly done nothing. There is no contingency planning - its all being done on the hoof.
Why the fuck are they keeping schools open? They will start closing themselves by the end of the week anyway. Where it the proper public information campaign? Why haven't they worked with supermarkets to prevent panic buying? Why aren't they tackling online misinformation? Where is the mitigation for the huge impact it will have on people's livelihoods? And - most glaringly - planning for ventilators and testing?
mx wcfc
Well-Known Member
This I think. and bear in mind that no insurance policy ever paid out for anything unless and until it absolutely had to.
In the meantime, many festivals/gigs etc have cancelled of their own accord, out of concern for the health of their communities - be it staff, bands, punters etc. People whose livelihoods depend on the festival season/gigs will be broke for over a year. Bands, small festivals, people like Something Else, won't have insurance against this type of thing and have had it. (I hope not, but you know what I mean).
Entirely selfishly, the thought of not getting a festival in this year terrifies me. I'm hoping Something Else's autumn one survives (for their sake's too).
I guess you could be affected by this?
elbows
Well-Known Member
Sadly that is not the case. Thats also one of the reasons why it has taken this long for the UKs approach to come under such intense scrutiny - it is only as epidemics have really started to get going in various EU countries that those countries got into action, and the differences in approach have become so apparent. The initial 'containment' phase was flawed in similar ways in most countries, with only a handful taking a different approach from the start.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Not sure that allowing them to claim on insurance is the best idea; the scale of these claims will just collapse the insurance firms and noone will get compensated.
A better idea - though I appreciate this has been said oft times already this week - would be having some form of national mortgage / rent holiday (with the latter where a landlord fully owns a property mortgage-free, so the tenants rent is covered; landlords with a mortgage would just get the mortgage payment) for a quarter combined with no tax on affected businesses at all for the same period and SSP or UC for everyone unable to work due to quarantine / a closed business. It will cost in the low tens of billions, but it will be much less than the 2008 bailout was and removing the cost of housing should (when the cost of transport is taken out too, since people won't be going to work) allow people to get by until we can get through the worst of this hopefully.
mx wcfc
Well-Known Member
That is shit. Bugger all you can do, I know, but pass it on to your MP? Even if just to make the point? (are they just trying to get away with it?)
Thora
Differently Ethical
There's a specific clause about cover for shutdowns for notifiable diseases, but obviously c19 wasn't officially a notifiable disease (didn't exist) at the time I took the policy out. There are about 3 insurers who cover the childcare industry and all are saying the same.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Clever business model they got going, there.
Can see why they donate so much to the vermin.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Too many quotable things in the Imperial College document for me to even begin to mention them all.
This bit is their key excuse for why they only just realised:
This bit is their key excuse for why they only just realised:
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I've just found this:
I'm 59 and have been offered a flu jab for 10-15 years and the system at the docs has me down as 'vulnerable'. Reporting so far has mentioned specific conditions with regard to vulnerability e.g. blood pressure, but this document specifically links it to getting the flu jab. However the document only talks about the vulnerable being 'particularly stringent' with regard to distancing. It doesn't use Johnson's phrase from today about the elderly and vulnerable self isolating for 12 weeks (or whatever specific form of words he used was).
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Total fucking bastards.
This should change from high up. The government has bailed out reinsurers before, and they could do it again, so that coronavirus was covered by insurance companies. It'd be far better than driving people into the ground so that they had no money to spend once the crisis is over.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
With regard to getting people working from home, it really is helpful if government issue instructions to employers. Otherwise, workers and unions are forced to waste time and energy getting this through the thick heads of management (a battle my union branch has been engaged in today at work).
Fez909
toilet expert
Covidris Elba
little_legs
Поехали!
The IFR for the 70 and 80 plus groups is lower than the bars in the earlier Chinese CDC graphs, good news potentially?
i'm terrified i am going to end my days(which haven't been brilliant), in a triage tent in a field somwhere, but hey.
mx wcfc
Well-Known Member
I'm in a high risk category. My days haven't been brilliant either. The one thing I've clung onto is that my job comes with decent death in service benefits for OH and daughter.
My biggest worry now is that I could lose that.
maomao
普費斯
It's not that they didn't realise what the numbers were it's that they didn't realise everyone else knew what the numbers were.So they got the numbers wrong and the herd immunity strategy is over.
The UK Only Realised "In The Last Few Days" That Its Coronavirus Strategy Would "Likely Result In Hundreds of Thousands of Deaths"
Scientists advising the government say an aggressive new approach adopted to attempt to "suppress" the virus may have to be in place for 18 months.www.buzzfeed.com
Lockdown / restrictions for potentially 18 months!
Treacle Toes
Time
Train station almost empty in Lewisham. Platform is usually rammed at this time. Feels like a Sunday.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
We are really going to need to keep NHS folks on side in what is likely to be a grim and exhausting time for them. Giving them access to testing so they can make sensible decisions about when to come to work seems like the level zero, rock bottom level of support we should be providing.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
While this is obviously true, there are hundreds of thousands of frontline clinical staff. Getting the capacity to test them all on-demand is not a trivial task and not simply a matter of politicians getting their arse in gear.
Cid
Proper break this time
I think he doesn't actually know about numbers below a million.
Treacle Toes
Time
Trump has held off on making test kits available until he could make sure his family has the monopoly. The company that is now distributing them is his SIL Kushner"s firm. Cunts.
bimble
floofy
Does Kushner’s Brother Own a Company Involved in COVID-19 Testing?
Oscar, a digital health-insurance startup that recently set up a service for users to find COVID-19 testing centers, was co-founded by Joshua Kushner.
www.snopes.com
maomao
普費斯
Tube was packed at 5.30 but partly due to cancellations, probably due to driver absences.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
So as cupid_stunt and others were saying correctly it looks like there will be little or no cover available and the twitter people were just being hopeful. Some sort of bailout a la France needs to happen.
Restaurant operators won't be covered by insurance in event of hospitality lockdown [updated]
Restaurant operators are unlikely to be covered by insurance if there was an official government lockdown on bars and restaurants because COVID-19 will not be included in many businesses’ insurance policies.
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elbows
Well-Known Member
I know the Imperial College report is almost old news already, but for the sake of completeness, and given their brief role in trying to prop up the governments previous approach, here is the BBC coverage of it:
Coronavirus: UK changes course amid death toll fears
Ministers were warned hundreds of thousands of people in the UK would die without stronger measures.
www.bbc.co.uk
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Wildly speculative conspiracy theory: not enforcing shutdown not only protects the insurance industry but also means that the only ones who survive are those with the capital muscle to ride out the storm, then on the other side the consolidate their power by hoovering up all the assets and market space left by the smaller institutions, further strengthening their grip on industries and concentrating power with a select few.
Even if that's not actually their plan, can't help worrying it will be one of the outcomes.
Even if that's not actually their plan, can't help worrying it will be one of the outcomes.
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