muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
Yep I just tested the suggestion I got earlier - 42 miles between me and the testing site turned into 50 miles on Google Maps
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Could it be intentional? Can they really fuck up every single thing they try this badly?
I'm in Yorkshire, nearest test site is in Bristol.
People aren't going to self isolate at all are they
No, I don't think it's intentional at all.
I'm in Yorkshire too, and a few weeks ago it seemed to be fine, people I know were getting test slots at local testing sites and then the results very quickly. WTF changed?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I do have large amounts of sympathy for that position, but people have agency and choice too, and do bear some responsibility for their own behaviour.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
There are at least three test sites in LeedsCould it be intentional? Can they really fuck up every single thing they try this badly?
I'm in Yorkshire, nearest test site is in Bristol.
People aren't going to self isolate at all are they
elbows
Well-Known Member
Well...
Coronavirus: Government apologises over tests shortage
A director of the government's test and trace scheme in England says lab capacity is the issue.
www.bbc.co.uk
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
Oh yaaaa, we have that capacity, just not this capacity! Soz for your misunderstanding, lol! Leave it with me, guys - it'll only take a few weeks. 
Cunts.
Cunts.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Whilst there's plenty of reasons why the UK/English government can be attacked, the current rules are fairly clear if you bother to follow the news, otherwise they are just a quick google search away.
What we have is a minority of people, mainly under 30, that couldn't give a flying fuck about their families & wider community, are happy to party in houses & pubs whilst ignoring social distancing, and that's not just a problem in England, it's much the same across Europe.
Scotland has been held up as doing better than the UK/English government, they re-opened schools weeks ago, and are now introducing local lockdowns, blaming young people & pubs for ignoring the rules.
Wales is doing exactly the same, and for the same reasons.
Spain, France, and several other European countries that are seeing a growth in new cases, again mainly young people, and again blaming young people & pubs/clubs.
But, considering so many young people are clearly fucking idiots, there's not much hope.
I've just watched 'Viral: The 5G Conspiracy Theory' on the iplayer - Viral: The 5G Conspiracy Theory. I would seriously recommend watching this, it's fucking nuts.
Apparently 22% of 16 to 24-year-olds think 5G is linked to Covid-19.How the hell have we ended-up with so many uneducated potatoes?
Nearly 100 masts have been set on fire in the UK, since March, one person that got caught has been sent down for 3 years, for arson, the fucking twat.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Yeah it was noticeable very early on, once they were forced to admit that maybe some testing was a good idea, that they were going for a headline figure of 'testing capacity' above any actual coherent targeted strategy. It fits with the outsourcing doesn't it - the likes of Serco are very good at delivering a headline figure of x units of whatever the y of the moment might be, even if underneath the stats whatever is actually happening is a complete mess. I expect the 'testing capacity' figure is still looking rosy.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
2,420 today (minus N.I.'s numbers).
No data on test numbers since 2nd Sep (ETA for England or Wales).
Deaths today (within 28 days blah blah) - 30 (highest for over a month).
No data on test numbers since 2nd Sep (ETA for England or Wales).
Deaths today (within 28 days blah blah) - 30 (highest for over a month).
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
Erm...
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
There is one in sommerlayton road brixton usually on Tuesdays which tends to be pretty quiet every time I go past, a friend just walked in and got tested last week.Testing system is well fucked.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
According to that testing capacity is a whisker under 370k - that's not a bad figure is it? Especially compared to the 175,687 tests, or 47% of capacity, they actually managed to carry out.
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
I noticed that. There's this message on the UK Covid Dashboard:
We have not received the latest data for the number of cases and deaths for Northern Ireland. This means that UK figures for new cases and deaths only represent Great Britain. We will update the website as soon as we receive the data for Northern Ireland.
What happened there then? The dog ate it? I left my bag at home? I forgot?
Aaah, it's only a bit of public health data. Who's paying any attention to that at the moment?
World class.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Clearly that's a problem for the NI government.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
We had our first school case on Friday here (in a different school). A TA who was wearing a mask and a visor but passed some papers around the class without realising that without that PPE (which they were wearing voluntarily) being medical grade and fitted properly there's no mitigation in the 2M to 1M distancing rule (as far as PHE are concerned), so two classes were immediately taken out to self isolate. The TA has apparently been rounded on on SM/local press (?).
I work in the kitchen and canteen in another school, where we have year groups of between 320-360 kids.
We used to do break from 10.50-11.10 and a staggered lunch from 12.10-1.30.
We now have break starting at 9.50 and running until 11.10 (although it was 11.25 today) and then lunch from 11.50, with the last lot coming through at 2.10.
We have reduced the menu but still have to provide the same amounts, with an hour less to prepare (and it was already very tight/fractious
prior to this) even for first break.There is limited ventilation, although the kitchen space has been opened out into the canteen.
We also have teaching staff, admin and TA's who come in to work on tills and do the queues etc, so opening up the exposure even more widely.
There was a convo yesterday about whether any of us could be furloughed (on a shift?), once the realisation set in that even if we can stay a meter away from each other, back to back etc, it could see the whole kitchen out (which is also the only 'income' for the school) but that can't happen when we have even less time to prepare. Noone is even pretending we can do two metres.
The breaks themselves were pretty quiet and steady but then all of the other things that would usually happen then are not being done, so I'm not sure how that could be addressed.
Add into that that for eg, I was on washing up - next to a window which opens up, at the bottom, by four inches and we can't have fans on - so NOT wearing any 'PPE' - I was running back and forth trying to assist with the prep but having to remove washing up gloves, wash hands, go to my locker to fetch my visor...do some bagging up (because everything has to be individually bagged and handed over now), then run back to my locker to put my visor back to carry on with more washing up etc - it's just insane. And I promise I speak as someone as who has been overworked for many years already there - it's not that I'm not accustomed to running about or to adjusting to things going wrong and adapting very quickly.
In my daughter's school (five minutes away and where they had at least adopted masks in all common areas, outside of their classrooms) she says there's no SD and the outside areas assigned to different year groups are completely ignored. They've also been in classrooms without open windows and with some staff moving around the classrooms. Ftr, I imagine this is as much to do with making kids feel comfortable about being back in as it as about any lapse of adhering to really complicated, vague rules.
Last thing I wanted to say was around the stuff about the more recently observed symptoms that kids will be more likely to have, in comparison to the four that are still set in place - gastro, headaches, fatigue, sore throats (which makes me slightly more sure that at least both myself and my daughter had mild versions at the end of March).
I know the research is ever changing - and that we could have schools in constant cycles of self-isolating some classes/year groups etc with changing lists of symptoms to look out for as a priority - but it doesn't make me feel any more reassured, right now, that we are doing so many different things, with rising cases and with no attention paid to those either, when the original symptoms are still what people are looking out for.
But y'know, schools have been completely left to it over the last few months. Yet another outrage.
Anyway. I dunno. Having been very diligent over the last few months, I can feel the fucking fatalism kicking in already.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Funnily enough I was talking to a mate of mines parents who over. They’re from Bolton and bought me an excellent pork pie over from Bury market. The mum might have had a glass of wine or two and told me that it was the ‘pakis’ fault as their families were too large for the houses. I tried not to give anything away by my looks as I wanted to pry a bit deeper into this but she then asked if it was alright to use the term ‘paki’ in Portugal . I said I wasn’t bothered by terms but wanted to know a little bit more why it was the ‘pakis’ fault and not pubs, raves or workplaces or the type of low paid public facing sort of work some people did and said it wasn’t long ago that the Irish and English were living in overcrowded accommodation and similar conditions . At the sound of the word Irish her husband piped up and gave her a good explanation of anti Irish prejudice and similarities with anti Muslim prejudice and it turns out his family were from Dublin and are socialist republicans . She obviously doesn’t listen to a word he saysFrom what was said on Sky, the biggest driver of infections has been households mixing/house parties, followed by certain pubs that have shown to be hotspots, in both cases it's mainly down to young people not giving a toss for their families & the wider community.
'Irresponsible actions of few' blamed for tougher restrictions in Bolton
PUBS and restaurants are being restricted to take-away only as part of new stricter measures to curb the spread of coronavirus in the town.www.theboltonnews.co.uk
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
Sorry, I'm not sure I was clear - that data is from the 2nd of September. Means you can't judge the recent rise in cases against tests, or a failure in testing, either.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I don't think it's intentional...because they'd have fucked that up, too, and published their strategy or something.Could it be intentional? Can they really fuck up every single thing they try this badly?
I'm in Yorkshire, nearest test site is in Bristol.
People aren't going to self isolate at all are they
People aren't going to self-isolate all the time that there's confusion about the necessity, and all the time that they are having to make hard choices between paying the rent and self-isolating. This is - I'll get bored of saying this - entirely at this door of the shitshower SOMEONE
elected as a government.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Dollars to donuts their mapping system is using crow-flies distances, because they're too cheap to licence something meaningful.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Yes, they do, but - and maybe I'm being a bit of a bleeding heart liberal here - that is much more likely to happen if they feel like they're part of something that is working towards a goal. With this bunch of cunts in charge, the message coming loud and clear is "Do what thou wilt", and a lot of people going to just follow that.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
Whilst there's plenty of reasons why the UK/English government can be attacked, the current rules are fairly clear if you bother to follow the news, otherwise they are just a quick google search away.
What we have is a minority of people, mainly under 30, that couldn't give a flying fuck about their families & wider community, are happy to party in houses & pubs whilst ignoring social distancing, and that's not just a problem in England, it's much the same across Europe.
Scotland has been held up as doing better than the UK/English government, they re-opened schools weeks ago, and are now introducing local lockdowns, blaming young people & pubs for ignoring the rules.
Wales is doing exactly the same, and for the same reasons.
Spain, France, and several other European countries that are seeing a growth in new cases, again mainly young people, and again blaming young people & pubs/clubs.
But, considering so many young people are clearly fucking idiots, there's not much hope.
I really object to this narrative - while pubs have been opened, Eat out to Help out, the total fucking shenanigans over holidays 'YEAAAHHHH! GO ON HOLIDAY!!!' and the sudden quarantines (with no decent follow up plan for that in place), the lack of any REAL financial help for that other than SSP, encouraging everyone back to work - ALL of that will be more likely to affect younger people - and you don't have to be mute to the news to have absorbed that any of that was not ok, eh?
This is nothing but a continuing lack of guidance, or care, or provision for building decent, local systems to deal with it all. This is just a continuation of pouring money into sleazy, shit operations, passing through without any consultation - and I'm really surprised that anyone would think otherwise (here).
It's young people - fuck off.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I've always been astonished you made it past the age of 30Whilst there's plenty of reasons why the UK/English government can be attacked, the current rules are fairly clear if you bother to follow the news, otherwise they are just a quick google search away.
What we have is a minority of people, mainly under 30, that couldn't give a flying fuck about their families & wider community, are happy to party in houses & pubs whilst ignoring social distancing, and that's not just a problem in England, it's much the same across Europe.
Scotland has been held up as doing better than the UK/English government, they re-opened schools weeks ago, and are now introducing local lockdowns, blaming young people & pubs for ignoring the rules.
Wales is doing exactly the same, and for the same reasons.
Spain, France, and several other European countries that are seeing a growth in new cases, again mainly young people, and again blaming young people & pubs/clubs.
But, considering so many young people are clearly fucking idiots, there's not much hope.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Object as much as you like, but that doesn't alter the fact that young people [with some help from pubs] are causing these spikes, across all FOUR nations of the UK, and much of Europe too.
What pisses me off more, is that councils in these 'areas of concern' have largely avoided taking enforcement actions against pubs, there's been a few cases, bur hardly any, local councils have the power to close pubs that are not following the rules, but appear not to care.
The leader of Bolton council was interviewed on Sky earlier, saying a minority of 'known' pubs have helped caused this local lockdown, resulting all pubs & restaurants being closed, but nothing from this pathetic man about what action they had taken against these pubs, because they had basically done fuck all.
Mind you, it's good to see a number of £10k fixed penalty fines issued over the weekend, to fuckwits organising illegal parties.
elbows
Well-Known Member
If all the 'naughty' behaviours from people in younger age groups was removed from the picture then we might still expect there to be all manner of reasons why younger members of society would be quite heavily involved in transmission at the moment. The jobs they do, their financial and housing situations, the contact social mixing patterns that younger age groups will follow when they are told to return to life.
Authorities know about all those factors (and contact patterns data by age is used by some of the modelling) and one of the authorities responsibilities when managing a pandemic is to plan and implement policies accordingly. They probably got slightly better adherence to the rules during the initial phase of lockdown than they might have been expecting from this age group, but then made their own calculations about what to do when this started to erode. It wouldnt be surprising if they combined such thoughts with the economic reopening agenda and figures out how to 'make the best of it' from that one particular angle, even if the consequences in terms of virus resurgence were not good. And those potential consequences certainly werent poorly understood or unexpected, they were almost inevitable, with the main questions only being about timing and rate of infection increase.
I am not against looking at bad behaviour but only when the rest of the picture is included and blame is distributed far more broadly.
Its also often not clear exactly what age ranges people are talking about when they say young people. Sometimes when the government are going on about this its actually quite a broad category that incorporates a large chunk of working age people, depends what stat in particular they are on about to make their point.
If I make a plan and I know that a chunk of people will behave in a certain way as a result, especially if my plan involves encouraging various relaxations and some forms of near normality, then who is actually the bigger idiot? If it is widely acknowledged that this phase of the pandemic involves impossible balancing acts between incompatible aims, then that is the real heart of the problem and what stems from it are merely manifestations of the underlying contradiction.
That doesnt mean that individual and group failings do not annoy me, but it seems that compared to some they only occupy a relatively modest slot in my perspective.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I completely agree with sheothebudworths' post - and I think we really need to be careful not to do the Government's dirty work for it by getting into fingerpointing. There's an oversimplification about human thinking that often happens, particularly in regard to group behaviour, and especially in regard to identifiable groups (teenagers, Muslims, women, etc.). The reality is that the thinking stuff going on is far more nuanced and complex that the oversimplifications might suggest. Our perception of risk is not at all good - we simply lack the brain machinery to deal with probability in the abstract; our ability to perceive risk from invisible threats is, likewise, very faulty - our psychological evolution enabled us to survive in the face of threats we could see, or at least conceive of ("the enemy tribe is over the hill" takes less cognitive acrobatics than "an invisible thing is among you and may kill you, or may not"). And so on...
As adults, we (hopefully) learn that there are things we can't see that we must take action in response to - the Inland Revenue, catching diseases, and so on, and at least adopt behaviours accordingly. Young people both haven't yet finished doing the brain development, nor have they learned - often the hard way - that they're not invincible, and there are threats their unformed minds are not yet equipped to handle.
I've noticed a hunger for social connection during lockdown that has strongly influenced my behaviour - I wasn't 100% comfortable with the degree of social distancing at the pub outside the flat, but it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say I was "driven" there by simply the possibility of human contact. Teenagers and young adults will have that in spades - it will be an irresistible urge...and, having spoken to a few lately, the inability to meet that urge is producing some quite profound mental health issues, mostly anxiety.
Added to which, we were all children once, and we didn't unlearn that stuff, even if we learned over it. So it is quite likely that we, as I did, will be influenced by those embedded feelings.
TLDR: you cannot expect people to do the "sensible" thing all the time. You have to plan accordingly.
It's why the way they've reopened schools seems so mad - do they really think that kids are going to follow those rules precisely, 100% of the time? For an uncertain duration? I don't. If it lasts a week, I'd be impressed. And, let's face it, if their parents, with all their life experience and adult learning, can't go down to the pub and obey best practice (assuming the pub's even bothered), do we really expect them (the kids) to do any better?
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I'm not convinced by the 'it's all the fault of young' people narrative.
The conservative leader or Bolton council blames it on young people, while one of the places closed is that well know institution of youth culture, The Conservative Club.
The Bolton bars and venues which had to close due to positive virus tests
SEVERAL bars and venues across Bolton have had to shut in recent days due to positive coronavirus tests.
Hard to tell but the other places don't exactly look young person orientated.
When I am out and about i see more old people ignoring social distancing than young ones. Admittedly I'm not going out at 11pm on Friday and Saturday nights.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's all the fault of the governmentI'm not convinced by the 'it's all the fault of young' people narrative.
The conservative leader or Bolton council blames it on young people, while one of the places closed is that well know institution of youth culture, The Conservative Club.
The Bolton bars and venues which had to close due to positive virus tests
SEVERAL bars and venues across Bolton have had to shut in recent days due to positive coronavirus tests.
Hard to tell but the other places don't exactly look young person orientated.
When I am out and about i see more old people ignoring social distancing than young ones. Admittedly I'm not going out at 11pm on Friday and Saturday nights.
ska invita
back on the other side
my mate in crystal palace needs coughing kid testedTesting system is well fucked.
luckily his wife is a front line nurse and is sorting out a home test for them somehow
got this
luckily his wife is a front line nurse and is sorting out a home test
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