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Who is? The rest of Urban who don't agree with you?you're putting yourselves firmly in the Widdecombe camp
Who is? The rest of Urban who don't agree with you?you're putting yourselves firmly in the Widdecombe camp
I usually leave him be - I find the victim posturing rather annoying - but in this case, he's so far out of order it's impossible to ignore.GG is always up for a reason to decide the whole of the rest of humanity are cunts tbf.
by saying 'you shouldn't abuse random strangers in the supermarket'?you're putting yourselves firmly in the Widdecombe camp
what are you talking about.
Well the ones that are doing that, sure. But the point is, you've no way of knowing for certain.so in what way are people not cunts when they're happy to put the health of others at risk ?
fwiw I'm sure the people you shouted at in the supermarket are bellends rather than genuinely unable to wear masks, but why take the risk?so in what way are people not cunts when they're happy to put the health of others at risk ?
You don't know the reason they're not wearing a mask. If anything you are being selfish yourself when having a go at non-mask-wearers because you're putting the chance that you may be 'shaming' a non-valid non-wearer as more important than the risk you're going to be adding to the misery of someone with a valid reason.so in what way are people not cunts when they're happy to put the health of others at risk ?
Aldi - a local store I feel a fair bit of loyalty to.Well the ones that are doing that, sure. But the point is, you've no way of knowing for certain.
Although TBH I don't really care for all this handringing. I'm hungover and can't really get to bothered that you've been a bit mean to someone in Tescos...
Meh.
Hmm. You'd think that if you were in a local store you feel a fair bit of loyalty to that you wouldn't be going around abusing their other customers. Meh shrugAldi - a local store I feel a fair bit of loyalty to.
Pressed on whether it is part of the plan for schools, he said:Yes, they can be rolled out to other settings, including schools, as I said, because one of the great innovation (sic) from these two brilliant gentlemen (Professor Chris Toumazou, founder of the Institute of Biomedical Engineering at Imperial College London, and Gordon Sanghera, CEO of Oxford Nanopore) is that this can be administered without someone having technical abilities or technical know-how.”
There is a plan already for schools, and we’re going to have children back at school, 1 September. This is a further enhancement of our capabilities, and as we roll this out we will obviously be looking at other settings, including schools, to roll it out into.”
Yes, if they have a good reason for itSo the "mask-shy" are now a minority group who need understanding ?
Oh, there is THIS from today, though. Yep, a whole new lots of swab tests bought up, with no data provided, for use in the NHS and care homes and possibly schools. Reading more about the companies themselves - predictably batshit - I assume more mates of Cummings, rather than anything that'll actually work.
Still, it sounds like a plan and that's what matters, eh!![]()
The announcement comes as the government pushed back a July target to regularly test care home staff and residents, saying the number of testing kits had become more limited.
Regular testing of care home residents and staff was meant to have started on 6 July but officials said this might not be in place until the end of the first week of September.
A spokeswoman for the Department of Health said: "A combination of factors have meant that a more limited number of testing kits, predominantly used in care homes, are currently available for asymptomatic re-testing and we are working round the clock with providers to restore capacity."
Last month, the government withdrew one brand of home-testing kits used in care homes over safety concerns.
Whatever difference masks in shops are making to ongoing infection rates (it'll only be a small difference at best, in any case), the difference made by the odd person not wearing one without a valid excuse will be vanishingly small.
I think it's been a case of "We ARE going to open the schools in September...so now let's see what we can do to make it at least look as if we're trying to manage infection". And, I fear, a nice line of ready excuses for if (or when) infection rates spike as a result...My daughter's school and the school I work in are right next to each other, so there are 3000 kids, daily, all trying to get to the same place.
There are also no schools here which are very central so it's more normal that the kids will be using public transport to get there, than not (and that frequently means two buses each way - generally, into town and then back out again).
The buses are rammed to the point that you have often have to wait while several drive straight past before you have a hope of getting on one, which also impacts on how easily you're able to realistically judge what time you will actually arrive.
Apparently the schools/la have been organising with the bus company around this - to have more buses added to the routes - and the schools are also doing staggered arrival times but those are only 10-15 minute arrival/departure slots.
Breaks will also be staggered and masks to be worn in corridors.
The year group 'bubble' stuff is insane though - and that teachers will be moving between those bubbles anyway.
My daughter is in Year 10 and has already seen that there's a large number of kids in her year who are going to parties etc
I can't see any way that this is going to go well but we're still hurtling towards it with no plan in place, outside what the schools have been left desperately scrabbling around to try and put in place themselves.
But I think I want to pre-empt any second-spike panic buying, so quietly buying up a few more, plus dried pulses and tinned goods, seems like a fairly smart move: my stash of tinned tomatoes is nearly depleted, although I still have about half of my red lentil and kidney bean stockpile intact![]()
If 95% of people are wearing them, 5% not, then even with the most optimistic measure of masks-in-shops effectiveness (and significant effectiveness is very far from a proven fact), that 5% non-compliance is causing only a very, very small difference.Thats your opinion. I dont consider this to be a proven fact.
Low-key panic buying?I've just been out for a bit of exercise and to get a few bits of shopping, and found myself doing just that. Nothing major, but an extra bag of rice, a few additional tins, another four-pack of bog roll, and so on, just to top the cupboards up a little...
I doubt that. There was very little done except hand washing in March. There's a few more tools to fight it now and doctors will have had nearly a year's experience treating it. And the pubs and trains won't be so busy if only because half the country's skint. There could well be a second wave, but I can't see the UK death figure hitting four figures a day again without something going very wrong.
I think that the other side of the argument is equally important - ripping into someone not wearing a mask is not likely to make them any more likely to do so. And also, apart from the point that you (and I) made about "shaming" non-mask wearers, there is the fact that it's probably likely to be exactly what people making a point of not wearing one would like: a proper barney about it.If 95% of people are wearing them, 5% not, then even with the most optimistic measure of masks-in-shops effectiveness (and significant effectiveness is very far from a proven fact), that 5% non-compliance is causing only a very, very small difference.
Low-key panic buying?![]()
If 95% of people are wearing them, 5% not, then even with the most optimistic measure of masks-in-shops effectiveness (and significant effectiveness is very far from a proven fact), that 5% non-compliance is causing only a very, very small difference.
There is a danger here of fixating on issues that are at best marginal. Latest evidence is pointing to a small number of people being 'superspreaders', with a majority of those infected, possibly a very large majority, not infecting anyone. This is the kind of thing that needs addressing, not the odd non-mask-wearer in shops.I think that the other side of the argument is equally important - ripping into someone not wearing a mask is not likely to make them any more likely to do so. And also, apart from the point that you (and I) made about "shaming" non-mask wearers, there is the fact that it's probably likely to be exactly what people making a point of not wearing one would like: a proper barney about it.
Either way, the only thing it can possibly achieve is to make the mask shamer feel better about themselves. There are already too many stories floating around in the press about people who have been very rudely and distressingly challenged by members of the public: it's a nasty aspect of human nature that there is a certain sort of person who just can't resist the opportunity to busybody around in someone else's life, and if ANYTHING needs stamping out, it's that.
Our finding of a highly-overdispersed offspring distribution highlights a potential benefit to focusing intervention efforts on superspreading. As most infected individuals do not contribute to the expansion of an epidemic, the effective reproduction number could be drastically reduced by preventing relatively rare superspreading events.
No, I was teasing - the thing is with the kind of "panic buying" you're doing is that it doesn't create the empty shelves and contagious panic buying that is what causes the problems.Not panic at all, really. I'm one of those people who hates running out of things and usually has a small stockpile of non-perishable goods in, so it's just a matter of topping that up a bit.
I know different areas are reacting differently, but around me, I'd put it as at least 95% compliance in shops/the tube. The non-wearers certainly stick out.95% compliance would indeed be a great result. I expect the percentages they hope for in order to ensure effectiveness of measures is not a million miles away for what they aim for with vaccination campaigns, where it is true that a the aim is for a large majority, and a certain percentage of non-compliance doesnt spoil the overall effect.
There is a danger here of fixating on issues that are at best marginal. Latest evidence is pointing to a small number of people being 'superspreaders', with a majority of those infected, possibly a very large majority, not infecting anyone. This is the kind of thing that needs addressing, not the odd non-mask-wearer in shops.
But where should that tough action come from? I got drawn into this discussion because I find this notion that people can feel entitled to often quite aggressively police the behaviour of others quite repulsive - it takes us down some very dark roads indeed. If mask wearing is - as would seem to be the case - a significant part of an infection control strategy, to the point that wearing a mask is being legislated for, then the idea that enforcement is then left to those who like to indulge in a nice bit of busybodying is not a good move - it's almost a worst of both worlds situation.And if one of the superspreaders is one of the people not wearing a mask?
Unless you can somehow identify superspreaders specifically, everything attached to that phenomenon and trying to prevent it surely becomes a story of having to take tough actions to reduce spread potential between all people? A story I'm sure you are keen to resist as I expect the current nerves about renewed spread are not to your liking.