Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[elbows]

Theres nothing quite like withholding information in order to reassure people

Dr Agboola also confirmed to Warwickshire County Council's adult social care and health overview and scrutiny committee members that the cases were on four wards but she did not reveal which ones.

This was partly due to confidentiality but also down to the fact that they do not want to spread fear among people who need to go to hospital for other treatment or appointments.

In other aspects, more detail is finally emerging:

But she said that early results from the investigation into the recent high number show that 35 per cent of the cases came from the community, 16 per cent definitely came from the hospital itself and that 25 per cent were likely to have come from the hospital, with more work being undertaken on the remaining 24 per cent.

What caused 'significant' spike in coronavirus cases at hospital

Health bosses have stressed the situation is improving

www.coventrytelegraph.net

It would be a bit over the top for me to say that was an imaginitive way not to have the headline 'almost two thirds of cases came from hospital transmission' but that would be stretching the point too far, although I expect people will understand where I am coming from with this remark anyway. The local paper never bothers to mention the recent deaths data in these stories either.

 

[treelover]

'Major incident' declared at UK beach as heatwave crowds branded 'appalling'

Bournemouth Council Leader Vikki Slade said she is 'absolutely appalled at the scenes on the beaches' as thousands pack the seafront during the heatwave, with reports of fights and anti-social behaviour in the area

www.mirror.co.uk

Vicki Slade has been doing a sterling job highlighting what is happenening there

having said that, it would be wonderful to see seaside resorts doing so well if it wasn't Covid time, but they wouldn't be

and where are the toilets?!

 

[treelover]

My local park is like that, but mostly teenagers/students

 

[treelover]

NIce...

Take your fucking rubbish with you!

 

[Pickman's model]

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My local park is like that, but mostly teenagers/students

bloody awful park keeping if true

what have they done with the grass and trees?

 

[Pickman's model]

'Major incident' declared at UK beach as heatwave crowds branded 'appalling'

Bournemouth Council Leader Vikki Slade said she is 'absolutely appalled at the scenes on the beaches' as thousands pack the seafront during the heatwave, with reports of fights and anti-social behaviour in the area

www.mirror.co.uk

Vicki Slade has been doing a sterling job highlighting what is happenening there

having said that, it would be wonderful to see seaside resorts doing so well if it wasn't Covid time, but they wouldn't be

and where are the toilets?!

where they've always been

open between 1030 & 1700

 

[elbows]

Whitty not a fan of the beech scenes by the sounds of it. I dont blame him. There are limits somewhere to my somewhat relaxed June stance, I'd rather we not find out where they are!

If things do take a turn for the worse at some point then we will have a similar problem to before in that so much was changed at the same time that it will be tricky to unpick the contribution of individual relaxations/behavioural changes. Mind you, if we discover stuff in the form of specific outbreaks at particular places and times then there may be clues as to underlying causes.

I think we are beyond the time when I could reassure people that there was no way the government will be able to blame the behaviour of the public. In my book things will likely be a mixed bag of blame, the government will always deserve some of it for enabling this scale of outbreak in the first place and for the various signals they have sent about how relaxed people should be. But it we run out of wiggle room at some stage the behaviour of people in general, the decisions some people are making these days, will be part of it.

Coronavirus: Prof Chris Whitty warns public over gatherings in hot weather

The UK's chief medical adviser says coronavirus cases will rise if people ignore social distancing.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Whitty not a fan of the beech scenes by the sounds of it. I dont blame him. There are limits somewhere to my somewhat relaxed June stance, I'd rather we not find out where they are!

If things do take a turn for the worse at some point then we will have a similar problem to before in that so much was changed at the same time that it will be tricky to unpick the contribution of individual relaxations/behavioural changes. Mind you, if we discover stuff in the form of specific outbreaks at particular places and times then there may be clues as to underlying causes.

I think we are beyond the time when I could reassure people that there was no way the government will be able to blame the behaviour of the public. In my book things will likely be a mixed bag of blame, the government will always deserve some of it for enabling this scale of outbreak in the first place and for the various signals they have sent about how relaxed people should be. But it we run out of wiggle room at some stage the behaviour of people in general, the decisions some people are making these days, will be part of it.

Coronavirus: Prof Chris Whitty warns public over gatherings in hot weather

The UK's chief medical adviser says coronavirus cases will rise if people ignore social distancing.

www.bbc.co.uk

I'm still pretty relaxed about the beach scares. The beach/park/demo scares have all come to nothing so far. Outside isn't an easy place to catch it.

tbh I'm more disgusted by the litter. Leave no trace ffs. It ain't hard.

 

[Looby]

'Major incident' declared at UK beach as heatwave crowds branded 'appalling'

Bournemouth Council Leader Vikki Slade said she is 'absolutely appalled at the scenes on the beaches' as thousands pack the seafront during the heatwave, with reports of fights and anti-social behaviour in the area

www.mirror.co.uk

Vicki Slade has been doing a sterling job highlighting what is happenening there

having said that, it would be wonderful to see seaside resorts doing so well if it wasn't Covid time, but they wouldn't be

and where are the toilets?!

Bournemouth always does well in summer, it’s always busy but this is insane and I’m fucking angry about it. Not really because of covid because they’re outside and the risks are reduced. I’m pissed off about the litter, the shitty behaviour, the dangerous parking and the feeling that I can’t go to my local beach.
Everyone can fuck off now, they’re not welcome if they can’t respect our coastline.

 

[elbows]

I'm still pretty relaxed about the beach scares. The beach/park/demo scares have all come to nothing so far. Outside isn't an easy place to catch it.

tbh I'm more disgusted by the litter. Leave no trace ffs. It ain't hard.

Yes, I havent engaged with those scares before and have taken a neutral stance in terms of future expectations.

Where I find it a bit much is when scenes demonstrate a lax attitude towards social distancing in general. If the beach itself doesnt worry me much, the sense of things 'going back to normal' is more concerning to me in terms of the new normal ending up resembling the old normal too much to keep this virus restrained.

But no, I havent suddenly changed my stance into one where I would talk about upticks, spikes and huge second waves as being completely inevitable, or try to make it sound like this could start happening any day now. But I can certainly see why Whitty feels the need to say what he is saying at the moment. He would be failing in his duty if he didnt, and I would not feel comfortable myself if I didnt reiterate the same angle myself from time to time. There is a balance to be struck, we dont know exactly where the limits are, and to even begin to get the economy going again those limits are bound to be tested. If behaviour goes too far on a large scale over prolonged periods of time then it will be down to the quality of our infection surveillance and the readiness to act upon its signals in a bold and timely manner as to whether we can retain the current advantage (in terms of numbers of infections right now) or whether things spiral.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The Met help promote the music scene:

Enhanced policing presence across London to tackle unlicensed music events

Following events in Overton Road, SW9 last night, there is an enhanced policing operation across London this evening, Thursday 25 June.

news.met.police.uk

From that it sounds like this weekend will be pretty banging, ideally if you're immune to covid which you aren't and won't give it to anyone else which you will. I have to say that it's more likely that this is the usual bollocks though.

 

[killer b]

I went to the beach today, it was lush. no crowds in the north though!

 

[Weller]

So just catching up on all this pub reopening stuff and our Green King local asking for personal details and using an app to book a table for a maximum 2 hours before even attending next week does anyone know if this means taht if anyone shows up on track and trace as having covid19 and using that pub then everyone there at that time would then get contacted and asked to self isolate , seems too much hassle at the moment
Not overly fussed to wait a while now especially as they also said we would not be allowed to leave our seats whilst there for anything other than using the loo one at a time when we would be chaperoned by a trained "covid host" who would also deliver all drinks that must be ordered by one phone using their app
Rare we even used to get our food for an hour and half before

 

[Wilf]

So just catching up on all this pub reopening stuff and our Green King local asking for personal details and using an app to book a table for a maximum 2 hours before even attending next week does anyone know if this means taht if anyone shows up on track and trace as having covid19 and using that pub then everyone there at that time would then get contacted and asked to self isolate , seems too much hassle at the moment
Not overly fussed to wait a while now especially as they also said we would not be allowed to leave our seats whilst there for anything other than using the loo one at a time when we would be chaperoned by a trained "covid host" who would also deliver all drinks that must be ordered by one phone using their app
Rare we even used to get our food for an hour and half before

Fucking hell, I'm 59, with a dodgy prostate... I'm going to keep the Toilet Chaperone busy!

 

[killer b]

So just catching up on all this pub reopening stuff and our Green King local asking for personal details and using an app to book a table for a maximum 2 hours before even attending next week does anyone know if this means taht if anyone shows up on track and trace as having covid19 and using that pub then everyone there at that time would then get contacted and asked to self isolate , seems too much hassle at the moment

Probably depends on how close you were sitting to the infected person whether they contact you. But, yeah. That's the whole point of them taking your details, so any infections can be (in theory) nipped in the bud.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So just catching up on all this pub reopening stuff and our Green King local asking for personal details and using an app to book a table for a maximum 2 hours before even attending next week does anyone know if this means taht if anyone shows up on track and trace as having covid19 and using that pub then everyone there at that time would then get contacted and asked to self isolate , seems too much hassle at the moment
Not overly fussed to wait a while now especially as they also said we would not be allowed to leave our seats whilst there for anything other than using the loo one at a time when we would be chaperoned by a trained "covid host" who would also deliver all drinks that must be ordered by one phone using their app
Rare we even used to get our food for an hour and half before

Christ that sounds awful. And you have to drink Greene King beer.

 

[Sue]

Christ that sounds awful. And you have to drink Greene King beer.

Yeah, going to the pub is meant to be fun. None of that sounds fun so, nah, not at the moment.

 

[Weller]

Christ that sounds awful. And you have to drink Greene King beer.

Yes but any alcohol will do after seeing Gavin Williamson turning up like Alan Partridge to at our charity lockdown event today if hes there at the reopening it also happens to be his local apparently so could be even worse
a missed opportunity not bringing Cameron to see peppa pig though

 

[Cerv]

What’s the correct etiquette - do you offer to share your coke with the toilet chaperone?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yeah, going to the pub is meant to be fun. None of that sounds fun so, nah, not at the moment.

Atm I would far rather share a bottle of wine in the park. Loos have reopened now too.

 

[pinkychukkles]

Major incident declared as people flock to England's south coast

Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole council says services are ‘completely overstretched’ as visitors defy advice to stay away

www.theguardian.com

The council said refuse crews suffered abuse and intimidation as they attempted to empty overflowing bins on the seafront. Security was put in place to protect them as they collected more than 40 tonnes of rubbish.

Why would you intimidate people who are removing rubbish from your immediate vicinity? I just don't get it.

 

[platinumsage]

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My local park is like that, but mostly teenagers/students

It's those camera lenses again:

 

[maomao]

Why would you intimidate people who are removing rubbish from your immediate vicinity? I just don't get it.

Probably objecting to coming within two metres or just drunk and nervous about being in a relatively crowded situation for the first time in months. I'm surprised it hasn't been kicking off more tbh.

With lockdown easing but few attractive options in terms of places to go and a large part of the population being skint I think there will be a lot of low level public disorder over the next couple of months.

 

[andysays]

It's those camera lenses again:

Maybe treelover can post an aerial photo of his local park for comparison

 

[Maltin]

It's those camera lenses again:

If you look at his twitter and the video that the overhead photos come from, I don’t think they are comparable shots. As others in response to his tweet suggest, I think they are at a different time of day and some suggest even a different section of the beach. I don’t know the area well enough to comment on the latter but I think it is reasonable to assume that they are not the same images from different angles.

 

[Wilf]

Maybe treelover can post an aerial photo of his local park for comparison

Well react to it if he does, but there's no need for that kind of goading.

 

[platinumsage]

Here's the Telegraph highlighting how shit the government are being over test & trace:

 

[existentialist]

Here's the Telegraph highlighting how shit the government are being over test & trace:

I wonder if I might be being unduly cynical for thinking that the government mindset is along the lines of "shut up and get on with it, because we don't actually give a shit what happens to you, so long as our backers and supporters get what they want, whatever the price"?

 

[platinumsage]

If you look at his twitter and the video that the overhead photos come from, I don’t think they are comparable shots. As others in response to his tweet suggest, I think they are at a different time of day and some suggest even a different section of the beach. I don’t know the area well enough to comment on the latter but I think it is reasonable to assume that they are not the same images from different angles.

Yes that seems the case. But you can also tell from most of those pictures they were taken with a zoom lens.

 

[Doodler]

Why would you intimidate people who are removing rubbish from your immediate vicinity? I just don't get it.

The council workers probably asked some self-entitled manchild/diva to put their rubbish in the bin "seeing as you're standing right next to it".