Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[maomao]

The area of the circle at the end of the cone increases proportional to the square of the height (distance between sneezer and sneezee). Think that's probably the relevant bit. So the amount of droplets in any given area at the end of the cone will decrease at a square of the distance? At 2 metres away, you'll get a quarter of the droplets you'd get at 1 metre away.

That's why rooms with high ceilings need proportionately bigger windows.

Still doesn't quite explain root 2 social distancing, sadly.

Japanese and Chinese love number based mnemonics and double meanings so maybe something similar? Or the width of a standard Korean double bed or some other universally familiar object?

 

[Wilf]

Snot maths.

 

[teuchter]

Japanese and Chinese love number based mnemonics and double meanings so maybe something similar? Or the width of a standard Korean double bed or some other universally familiar object?

I assume the standard Korean fridge is 466.667mm wide.

 

[crossthebreeze]

So shielding is relaxed from 6th July and will end on 1st August, when government food boxes will also stop - and so will SSP/ESA for shielders who have a job but can't work from home (at least as long as their workplace is "covid secure").

 

[wtfftw]

Where to have a piss has been one of lockdown's major practical conundrums!

Home - Lockdown Loo

Find invaluable information, hacks that you’d never thought to consider before, and super useful tips on cleaning.

www.lockdownloo.com

Crowdsourced toilet map.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Home - Lockdown Loo

Find invaluable information, hacks that you’d never thought to consider before, and super useful tips on cleaning.

www.lockdownloo.com

Crowdsourced toilet map.

That is very cool. Thankyou.

 

[BCBlues]

I assume the standard Korean fridge is 466.667mm wide.

Boris would still squeeze in

 

[Lucy Fur]

Boris would still squeeze in

the lack of any discernable backbone would help

 

[BCBlues]

the lack of any discernable backbone would help

Definitely, you could squeeze him in the salad tray at the bottom

 

[elbows]

Various authorities are often not too keen to go on a lot about the percentage of false negatives, although it obviously isnt a secret either. But when it comes to a hospital discharging patients with the disease into a care home despite how they are supposed to be tested, then it gets a mention. By the way Kettering General Hospital NHS Foundation Trust is one of those where the deaths have persisted, in their case at levels not to dissimilar from those at the height of the wave. I dont have that graph to hand right now but probably sometime this week I will revisit this subject again, but I want to get well past the weekends lack of data first.

Coronavirus: 36 test positive at Desborough care home

It comes after the care home admitted hospital patients who later turned out to have Covid-19

www.bbc.co.uk

Kettering General Hospital's medical director Andrew Chilton said the hospital worked to guidelines approved by the county's health and social care system and adhered to national guidelines.

The hospital said it "used the best tests possible" but only 75% of tests carried out were accurate.

 

[crossthebreeze]

Massive changes from 4th July being announced now

 

[QueenOfGoths]

Massive changes from 4th July being announced now

Just listening to this. It feels slightly overwhelming in many ways.

 

[crossthebreeze]

UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson ditches 2-metre rule for '1-metre-plus' in England
Guardian seem to be doing the best job of updating their news feed on this

 

[xenon]

Basically everything can open after 4th of July, with special measures. In door pubs, restaurants all table service, leave details for contact tracing. Places that can't open then, night clubs, in door gyms, theatres, play areas...

 

[xenon]

Bit surprised cinemas can open if theatres not. That's how I heard it anyway.

 

[crossthebreeze]

Combined with the announcement on shielding yesterday too, its so much at once

 

[crossthebreeze]

Bit surprised cinemas can open if theatres not. That's how I heard it anyway.

I guess th3 difference is performers and technical staff etc

 

[xenon]

The rules about visiting other households is personly good for me. I have to admit, I was planning to visit family in a couple of weeks anyway. Which as of now would be breaking the rules but by then, will be allowed. Of course I'll be taking procautions. I'm a bit OCD about washing hands anyway and will be wearing a mask on transport.

 

[magneze]

Any bets on time until return to lockdown? August?

 

[xenon]

I guess th3 difference is performers and technical staff etc

Ah yeah, good point. Of course. Probably not much chance to social distance putting up scenery, behind the scenes stuff and of course, actors being face on to the audience. Face on seating in hospitality establishments is to be avoided where possible.

 

[LDC]

Any bets on time until return to lockdown? August?

Depends on where you live. Unless it gets really bad they'll do anything they can to avoid a national lockdown again. A few schools near me closed already due to cases.

 

[maomao]

Any bets on time until return to lockdown? August?

October/November or maybe even later for a second wave. Respiratory viruses have strong seasonal patterns that aren't fully understood. Combined with some level of social distancing/hygeine/masks today's changes are unlikely to create a big spike any time soon. Before Christmas when shops are a bit more packed and maybe the pubs are open, people start shutting the windows on the buses etc. may be when some local outbreaks manage to roll nup into something bigger.

A friend of my wife who has a boy and girl very similar ages to ours wants to meet in the park and I'm all for it. My wife is refusing on the basis that the girl has been going to school. My kids haven't seen other children in person for over three months now

 

[Teaboy]

Just listening to this. It feels slightly overwhelming in many ways.

Yes it does.

My job is to go out and meet strangers, lots of face to face meetings. Its something I've done all my professional life its something that comes naturally. In the last week I've attended my first two meetings since end of February. Both times I've had this weird anxiety on my way to the meeting. Its a feeling I've never had before like a background dread.

All this happening at once is going to take some time to get my head around.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Not read anything about museums yet despite the big headline in the guardian saying they can open.

 

[Teaboy]

Not read anything about museums yet despite the big headline in the guardian saying they can open.

Hmmm. Smaller museums are quite often staffed by elderly volunteers. I'm not sure I'd want my gran or grampy doing that, were they still to be alive.

 

[andysays]

Not read anything about museums yet despite the big headline in the guardian saying they can open.

Museums are also mentioned on the BBC website report of this story, along with various others

 

[Artaxerxes]

Museums are also mentioned on the BBC website report of this story, along with various others

Yeah I see it now in the full statement, just nothing on the guardian feed.

Well we shall see what work says then but I was expecting to go back end of July and I don't think they've yet figured out how to open safely so we'll see.

 

[zora]

This is all doing my nut in. Posted lengthily the other day how in my understanding the risk from not only droplet but also aerosol transmission is infinitely higher than from objects. Feel like I am living in some sort of parallel universe where it's supposedly okay to spray and bray all day over people in pubs and shops without face masks, or indeed any freaking thought to ventilation of indoor environments, but a cricket ball is a major transmission vector...? That just does not tally with my understanding at all. What the hell are they basing this on, or I am misunderstanding the whole thing really badly?

 

[Orang Utan]

UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson ditches 2-metre rule for '1-metre-plus' in England
Guardian seem to be doing the best job of updating their news feed on this

My employers have just spent loads of fucking money on floor stickers and signs asking customers to keep 2 metres distance, so Johnson can fuck right off with that

 

[Buddy Bradley]

Why can hairdressers reopen but tattooists can't? It's literally the same thing - I would have even thought hairdressing was higher risk, as they're always working around the head/face, and have a much faster turnaround so will be seeing a lot more people in the average day.