Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[Teaboy]

No, it's really not. How much is the nail polishing sector worth compared to the pub/bar sector? All sorts of mental health and social aspects to the later too.

'Won't someone think of the little fish nibbling dead skin off your feet industry?'

Yes, it's economics that have driven the latest round. Glad we can agree on that.

As for the other stuff, well. You might want to have a look at that again in the cold light of day because its paints you in a bad picture.

My friend's wife came to UK as a refugee aged 18. No education and couldn't speak any English and needless to say no money at all. Unsurprisingly there are not many job opportunities available for someone like that. From that she has managed to build up a successful business. A business that supports her family and members of the wider community not to mention distant family members in far flung lands.

What they do is nails and wider beauty treatment. But actually what you do in business is often irrelevant as its a means to an end. The business is staring down the barrel at the moment and so is everyone it supports This is just one business, one story. So, yeah its an economic argument and yesterday's announcement was clearly based more on who shouts loudest then what is necessary or practically safe. I'm comfortable asking the question of why hair but not nails because this stuff has serious ramifications. I don't think its unreasonable for people to ask why not my business?

A bit more that fish nibbling dead skin, don't you think?

 

[Teaboy]

I think its important to make the point that people moaning their pet thing are mostly the people who run the businesses. Now, there will often be very good reasons why that business can't open yet but its not unreasonable to ask particularly as the same thing is coming out time and again. They are getting no information or feedback from the government.

 

[B.I.G]

No, it's really not. How much is the nail polishing sector worth compared to the pub/bar sector? All sorts of mental health and social aspects to the later too.

'Won't someone think of the little fish nibbling dead skin off your feet industry?'

Recently described as a “thoughtful” person

Alcohol has a negative effect on mental health.

Clearly the important thing to you is how much the sector is worth when making decisions.

Their decision is based on racism and tory donors.

 

[maomao]

Alcohol has a negative effect on mental health

And drinking at home/alone more so. Alcohol has not been banned at any point.

 

[B.I.G]

And drinking at home/alone more so. Alcohol has not been banned at any point.

The issue is the transmission of a virus.

Is your point that alcohol should be banned or did you just feel the need to state a couple of irrelevant facts?

 

[maomao]

The issue is the transmission of a virus.

Is your point that alcohol should be banned or did you just feel the need to state a couple of irrelevant facts?

I was drawing attention to the irrelevance of your facts. Opening pubs has fuck all to do with access to alcohol.

 

[LDC]

I think when it comes to people's own business interest they can develop a blind spot about their places having a higher level of infection risk than others.

 

[B.I.G]

I was drawing attention to the irrelevance of your facts. Opening pubs has fuck all to do with access to alcohol.

Access no. Volume yes. More alcohol will be consumed when the pubs are open. More transmission of the virus will occur.

The supposed mental health benefits of pubs and bars shouldn’t be used as a reason to open them up over nail bars.

The consumption of alcohol has a negative mental health effect.

 

[B.I.G]

I think when it comes to people's own business interest they can develop a blind spot about their places having a higher level of infection risk than others.

And pubs will have a higher rate of infection to the population.

 

[two sheds]

Not really UK news but relevant with tennis not being banned.

Novak Djokovic tests positive for Covid-19 amid Adria Tour fiasco

Novak Djokovic released a statement stating he is the fourth player from the Adria Tour event to test positive for Covid-19

www.theguardian.com

The Serb stands widely accused of complacency for organising an unofficial charity event – in Belgrade, Zadar and Montenegro (subsequently cancelled) – without safety protocols applicable in most other countries and which have prevented resumption of the main Tour until August.

 

[LDC]

Recently described as a “thoughtful” person

Alcohol has a negative effect on mental health.

Clearly the important thing to you is how much the sector is worth when making decisions.

Their decision is based on racism and tory donors.

You think the decision to open bars and pubs and hairdressers but not nail salons is partly based in racism?

 

[pesh]

Access no. Volume yes. More alcohol will be consumed when the pubs are open.

yeah, i've really been holding back till i can pay 5 times as much for a pint.

 

[B.I.G]

You think the decision to open bars and pubs and hairdressers but not nail salons is partly based in racism?

Yes.

 

[B.I.G]

yeah, i've really been holding back till i could pay 5 times as much for a pint.

Because the pubs aren’t full of people doing that all the time under normal circumstances?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

No, it's really not. How much is the nail polishing sector worth compared to the pub/bar sector? All sorts of mental health and social aspects to the later too.

'Won't someone think of the little fish nibbling dead skin off your feet industry?'

Agree with teaboy on this. I think your reasoning is faulty. Just cos a sector is bigger doesn't mean it should be given preferential treatment just due to its size. And if it is being given preferential treatment, that's surely because of the lobbying power of the rich owners of chains compared to predominantly small non-chain businesses such as nail bars.

ETA: Just to add to that, I think you're also wrong to dismiss the idea that businesses in some of these smaller sectors might be of equal importance to their users wrt their mental health, etc, as larger sectors are to theirs.

 

[LDC]

Agree with teaboy on this. I think your reasoning is faulty. Just cos a sector is bigger doesn't mean it should be given preferential treatment just due to its size. And if it is being given preferential treatment, that's surely because of the lobbying power of the rich owners of chains compared to predominantly small non-chain businesses such as nail bars.

I don't agree with that being fair, I know that some sectors have more access to power etc, but that's not what all the people I've heard representing those businesses in the media are arguing. The reasons for some things not opening while others are is a mix of reasons, some economic importance, some social demand, some infection risk, whereas what I've heard people arguing for generally when it comes to their business mostly seems to be along the lines of "It's just not fair I can't do X." Maybe we're on slightly crossed wires?

 

[frogwoman]

There's arguably mental health implications to not being able to access beauty treatments too. At least for some people. I'm ok with my legs looking skanky but I'd feel a bit self conscious if I was walking around in shorts and t shirts outside every day.

And haven't massage places been open for a while? My mum has been going for a massage weekly for a few weeks!

 

[LDC]

There's arguably mental health implications to not being able to access beauty treatments too. At least for some people. I'm ok with my legs looking skanky but I'd feel a bit self conscious if I was walking around in shorts and t shirts outside every day.

And haven't massage places been open for a while? My mum has been going for a massage weekly for a few weeks!

Fair enough with the beauty/mental health relationship, totally out of my realm of comprehension though so happy to be reminded.

I thought massage places would totally not have been allowed the last months?! Actually a quick look says they aren't allowed nor are they opening, same as nail salons and tattoo places.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

How do you measure social demand, though? For some people, getting their nails done or whatever will be a treat that makes them feel good (and they might never set foot in pubs at the best of times). And the number of businesses around to cater for those people will be proportionate to the number of people. Once you are moving from services considered essential to services considered non-essential, the only consideration should be a measure of the infection risk involved and the possibility of mitigating that risk. On that scale, I would probably put pubs below nail bars, if anything, as a nail bar is a very controllable environment in ways that a pub never can be.

 

[wtfftw]

It's just based on shouting isn't it? Lobbying and what'll placate the masses.

 

[LDC]

Maybe I need to look into this nail bar thing, they just seem weird to me, so I'm speaking from a place of slight bafflement and ignorance about them tbh.

 

[frogwoman]

Fair enough with the beauty/mental health relationship, totally out of my realm of comprehension though so happy to be reminded.

I thought massage places would totally not have been allowed the last months?! Actually a quick look says they aren't allowed nor are they opening, same as nail salons and tattoo places.

I think it's because she's got back issues tbh. And from what she said they are the only two people in the building.

 

[LDC]

It's just based on shouting isn't it? Lobbying and what'll placate the masses.

No, partly shouting, partly economics, partly infection risk, partly what people want. Not sure I like the 'placate the masses' tone though.

 

[LDC]

I think it's because she's got back issues tbh.

Yeah, I was thinking maybe it depended on what type of massage. Sports/physio maybe OK, oily with a happy ending maybe not so much.

 

[xenon]

How do you measure social demand, though? For some people, getting their nails done or whatever will be a treat that makes them feel good (and they might never set foot in pubs at the best of times). And the number of businesses around to cater for those people will be proportionate to the number of people. Once you are moving from services considered essential to services considered non-essential, the only consideration should be a measure of the infection risk involved and the possibility of mitigating that risk. On that scale, I would probably put pubs below nail bars, if anything, as a nail bar is a very controllable environment in ways that a pub never can be.

This is daft. Clearly nail bar operatives have to get that much closer, within 1m of clients. Pubs, many of them can have people separated.

The line was always going to be drawn somewhere. Gyms are probably more important to many people's physical and mental health than nail bars. We've all got personal preferences and like or not the hospitality industry is a far bigger employer than beauty industry. The balance of risks verses economic necessity have lead to this. We were never gonna get UBI under this government. Of course industries that can't open at this time should continue to be supported.

Obviously a lot of commentary is some people worried about their future livelyhoods. a lot else though is just superficial whining. And FWIW I do think it's a bit too early for indoor pubs to be opening.

 

[xenon]

It's just based on shouting isn't it? Lobbying and what'll placate the masses.

Not really. Economic based decision with consideration of the risks. We might think the balance is wrong or why is economics being put before lives. A dead economy kills too though and given who's in charge, fantasies about redressing any of this from above are pointless.

 

[MrSki]

A protective ring around care homes my arse. Fucking shocking. 13.6 % of care home population has died.

 

[wtfftw]

No, partly shouting, partly economics, partly infection risk, partly what people want. Not sure I like the 'placate the masses' tone though.

You don't think pub priority is partly the government wanting to be popular?

Not really. Economic based decision with consideration of the risks. We might think the balance is wrong or why is economics being put before lives. A dead economy kills too though and given who's in charge, fantasies about redressing any of this from above are pointless.

I think you have more faith in them considering the risks than me. Drunk people in confined spaces just doesn't sound sensible.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This is daft. Clearly nail bar operatives have to get that much closer, within 1m of clients. Pubs, many of them can have people separated.

I don't think it's daft. Operatives and clients can both wear masks, meaning that the distance between them isn't a relevant factor. And pushing against the limits of my ignorance of nail bars, perhaps a screen might be possible. People are in one-on-one encounters rather than constantly encountering different people, which is a much more controllable situation. And of course alcohol isn't involved except as a cleaning agent.

Of all the non-essential businesses I want to see back, pubs are top of the list, but I can't see how pubs are anywhere near the top of the list wrt infection risk, and other people of course will have different lists.

 

[two sheds]

I think you have more faith in them considering the risks than me. Drunk people in confined spaces just doesn't sound sensible.

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