Raheem
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The Mail at least showing some awareness of its own history with 'Hurrah'.
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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Come on guys what are we worrying about 
.....tomorrow we can celebrate the 75th anniversary of 'stuffing' the Germans with a bank holiday
and Monday we can bugger off out 
to try and catch the virus...it's what the last 6 weeks has been about isn't it? Meanwhile our Churchillian PM continues to make promises 
that..........................
.....tomorrow we can celebrate the 75th anniversary of 'stuffing' the Germans with a bank holiday and Monday we can bugger off out to try and catch the virus...it's what the last 6 weeks has been about isn't it? Meanwhile our Churchillian PM continues to make promises that..........................
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The hospitalization is on its way down, though more sharply in London. I agree about the new cases though. With testing ramped up to these levels Germany found this kind of level of new cases around 3 to 4 weeks ago. My biggest worry is the evident failure to stop spread in hospitals. How long people are outside or if they're having picnics is as good as irrelevant compared to that, yet this will be the focus rather than the ongoing infection protocol failures.
Seems to me outside of London the situation is largely plateaued. General trend is downwards with both deaths and hospitalisations but not in any great way. It would be interesting to see the trend line for the country if London was removed?
The start of lockdown was driven by the situation in London. Is the phasing out of lockdown being driven in the same way?
maomao
普費斯
I'm not going to read The Sun to get details but if the bit on that front page about being allowed to have picnics with your friends were true it would be an incitement to break the (so-called) lock down because people are observing it. As it is it's the thugs at The Sun shit stirring
Steel Icarus
we move
I'm sure I read guidelines somewhere about walking for an hour, cycling for half an hour and running somewhere between the two per day.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
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Your interpretation of non-essential "leaving the house" acceptability parameters
In the absence of clear official guidance I want to see what the groupthink is, on what is and isn't OK, in terms of being out of the house for what is being broadly described as "exercise time". In other words, not including things like going to the shops or doctors or helping other people with...
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yeah, the lack of progress outside London is a worry. Only thing I would say about that, having spent waaaaay too much time looking at these things, is that there is a general (although not universal) pattern across countries that the more severe your outbreak, the steeper the initial curve down is, simply because it was so high to start with.
The pattern here would actually be consistent with the idea that hospitals are now the main source of reinfection. It's worrying - if they can't sort it out, infection levels could remain at a certain level for ages yet. Has anybody in government even admitted that this is a thing that needs sorting out?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It occurs to me that, in the lead-up to lockdown, the papers released on SAGE stuff indicate that a major consideration was that 'everybody else is dong it, so people will expect us to do it'. Is the same logic being applied here? Is there any more thinking behind it than that?
Cid
Proper break this time
Yeah, that was my instinct... 'Italy is easing up, we need to keep up with Europe'.
Cid
Proper break this time
Yep... and there are some good scientists and statisticians on it. But there are a lot of them, they need to agree on the advice they're giving, and even if that advice is absolutely spot in it's then getting shunted through a set of people who probably need 'my valet' to tie their shoelaces.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I think you may be looking for where there is none. More like the already quasi-religious genuflection before 'the economy' descending to the level of a cargo cult, human sacrifices and all.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Something that's bothering me a lot about COVID-19. In many other events involving needless death of large numbers of people like a terrorist attack or a natural disaster or something you'd have minutes silences ordered by the govt, flags at half mast, memorials announced etc. There doesn't seem to be anything like that with this unless I've missed it. There aren't many details about most of the people who died and I guess it's because there are just so many but it seems really sad and wrong
There was the Trade Union initiated minutes silence for front line workers.
Broadcast News, especially Sky News, has portraits of victims of Covid every night, as does the Guardian, quite moving as well.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
There was, and I think it was quite widely observed. We did it, and it wasn't me that brought it up.
i had a to go a bit further to get my weekly hobble, there were large amounts of middle class families out and about.
Desperate for that to happen, well the gardens.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
But neither can you ignore the context for why those countries are doing what they're doing in the first place. Like having fewer deaths, better testing regimes and more pro-active infection control than our feckless PPE wanker government ever bothered to do.
maomao
普費斯
Where did you get this from? It seems really really unlikely.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
exactly. What other countries are doing, how and when they are doing it, and what effects it is having are all obviously crucial factors to consider for any country that finds itself at the rear of the race.
From those considerations, we're around three weeks behind where Germany was when it started easing, with no guarantees we'll ever get where they are now because of the ongoing ppe disaster. I don't mind the idea that they might ease some restrictions that are probably now (and possibly always were) irrelevant to the ongoing struggle, but only if combined with a massive effort to tackle the current shortcomings. They won't even acknowledge the current shortcomings, so what hope is there of that?
ETA: Their 'five tests' thing always smelled of total bullshit. And indeed it was.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Outdoor space first I suspect.
maomao
普費斯
There's nothing about the National Trust in any of the papers. Maybe limited openings of some completely outdoor sites but unless they just throw open the gates there's going to be pinch points. And public toilets. And ice cream vans with queues. It sounds really unlikely to me.
Any major leisure focused easings will be an incitement to break what has been a remarkably peaceful lockdown with none of the public disorder that was predicted 6 weeks ago.
I find it hard to see the National Trust woodland near me opening up anytime soon. In fact there’s nothing really stopping anyone going there apart from a sign saying the car park and cafe are closed. There’s nothing to actually stop anyone parking in the main car park and I’ve noticed more people are doing this. The car park ticket machines are covered up and out of operation - and as you have to touch them to use them I can’t see how they would be brought back into use without creating a hazard. Reopening the toilets must also create a risk, for the public and for whoever has to clean and maintain them. The footpaths are still open and there are people about but I think mostly locals. At the moment it’s manageable. I’m not sure it would be if it reopened officially. Most of the money for running it must come from the car parking charges and unless these can be reintroduced safely then I can’t see much commercial reason to reopen.
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