Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[treelover]

I despise corbyn and don't think he'd have done any better with c19, starmer possibly, but that said, in a few months you can't put right the shit show that's been left by years and years of tory government and Blairite austerity lite a few years before that.

You don't think he would have had a much better duty of care to NHS staff, i'm sorry but here I don't agree.

 

[treelover]

The pub that won't close

Police close Sheffield pub disobeying lockdown laws - with customers hiding in cupboards

A Sheffield pub has been forced to close after police officers were tipped-off that it was still serving during lockdown and found customers hiding in cupboards.

www.thestar.co.uk

Few on here use that pub,

btw, imo, Sheffield is not now a heavy drinking city, like say Liverpool, it was in the past, mines steelworkers, with money, etc.

 

[crossthebreeze]

Of course, they wouldn't be allowed to open otherwise. The thing is they did close though which they chose themselves (well, most of them closed). They're all now running out of patience which will just give this sense that the country is coming out of lockdown and this is just amplified by the likes of Wetherspoon twat talking about June.

It's going to be hard for the government to keep a lid on it. In that sense Johnson is right that he needs to give a longer date. The current 'not sure, can't say' approach is causing problems.

The construction sites are reopening because the government have significantly watered down the social distancing guidelines for construction.

 

[two sheds]

Though maybe it would be wiser if I threaten to take pics and post them to our local FB group for shaming

They'll know who it was for reprisals then though, better just to do it if you're going to.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Of course, they wouldn't be allowed to open otherwise. The thing is they did close though which they chose themselves (well, most of them closed). They're all now running out of patience which will just give this sense that the country is coming out of lockdown and this is just amplified by the likes of Wetherspoon twat talking about June.

It's going to be hard for the government to keep a lid on it. In that sense Johnson is right that he needs to give a longer date. The current 'not sure, can't say' approach is causing problems.

At some point I think there is going to need to be some honesty about the practicality of maintaining social distancing rules as they are. Construction sites are a good example. Near me there is one with a lovely line of 2 metre markers at the entrance for workers to queue up along. Once inside the site, of course that goes out of the window as they work together on, for instance, windows.

The hard question 'what level of risk are we prepared to accept?' needs to be asked. Some more information about where and how it has been transmitted would help in guiding that. The current blanket rules are based in large part on our lack of that knowledge. I think there's a danger of getting stuck. I think we are currently stuck.

 

[belboid]

The pub that won't close

Police close Sheffield pub disobeying lockdown laws - with customers hiding in cupboards

A Sheffield pub has been forced to close after police officers were tipped-off that it was still serving during lockdown and found customers hiding in cupboards.

www.thestar.co.uk

One of my locals! A friend tried to organise a wedding anniversary do there but was told no - despite them advertising as being available for functions.

“Aye, but that only means funerals”

 

[Orang Utan]

They'll know who it was for reprisals then though, better just to do it if you're going to.

They’ll know who it was anyway cos I’m not invisible

 

[two sheds]

Yes fair play.

 

[teqniq]

Fuck the tories. I suspected they would find some way of making Liverpool pay.

Liverpool facing bankruptcy after govt virus funding failure

City Council facing a £44m cliff edge is considering filing notice to impose emergency spending ban

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[Teaboy]

With regard to the police they must find the whole idea of social distancing a bit of a running joke. Its an essential part of the job to be up close and personal with each other and the general public. You wouldn't be able to do the job otherwise plus they've got fuck all ppe and a taser isn't much use against a virus.

I can see why they don't keep 2m apart from each other at all times because of this. This being said though they certainly have an obligation to observe the rules when they are out and about and people are just going about their business.

 

[Orang Utan]

With regard to the police they must find the whole idea of social distancing a bit of a running joke. Its an essential part of the job to be up close and personal with each other and the general public. You wouldn't be able to do the job otherwise plus they've got fuck all ppe and a taser isn't much use against a virus.

I can see why they don't keep 2m apart from each other at all times because of this. This being said though they certainly have an obligation to observe the rules when they are out and about and people are just going about their business.

aye, I may be classified as a key worker but I’m not supposed to be front line, though if they can’t stay away from other staff I might as well be frontline

 

[maomao]

With regard to the police they must find the whole idea of social distancing a bit of a running joke. Its an essential part of the job to be up close and personal with each other and the general public. You wouldn't be able to do the job otherwise plus they've got fuck all ppe and a taser isn't much use against a virus.

I can see why they don't keep 2m apart from each other at all times because of this. This being said though they certainly have an obligation to observe the rules when they are out and about and people are just going about their business.

I spoke to a fireman yesterday and he seemed to understand social distancing from the public despite not being able to with his colleagues. Police just tend to be wankers on the whole.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I spoke to a fireman yesterday and he seemed to understand social distancing from the public despite not being able to with his colleagues. Police just tend to be wankers on the whole.

This is of course one of the reasons we desperately need more testing. We have to accept realistically that colleagues are not going to be able to keep 2 metres away from each other all day. At the very least, if they've all been tested, they can know that their colleagues probably don't have it (though some basic measures are still wise of course). And that testing probably needs to be done weekly. We've still got a very long way to go.

 

[Orang Utan]

This is of course one of the reasons we desperately need more testing. We have to accept realistically that colleagues are not going to be able to keep 2 metres away from each other all day. At the very least, if they've all been tested, they can know that their colleagues probably don't have it (though some basic measures are still wise of course). And that testing probably needs to be done weekly. We've still got a very long way to go.

They’ve offered testing for us, but only if we’re symptomatic and have a car. Tough shit, it seems, if you don’t

 

[frogwoman]

Anyone with a bit of common sense would have done better. And Corbyn would not get even a fraction of the favourable press coverage the suicidal clown is getting

You don't think he would have had a much better duty of care to NHS staff, i'm sorry but here I don't agree.

I think the media blaming would have been a sight to behold tbh. but he would probably have been a bit more amenable to cooperation with other countries I guess. You don't just turn the damage done by 10 years of the Tories round in a few months tho

 

[agricola]

With regard to the police they must find the whole idea of social distancing a bit of a running joke. Its an essential part of the job to be up close and personal with each other and the general public. You wouldn't be able to do the job otherwise plus they've got fuck all ppe and a taser isn't much use against a virus.

I can see why they don't keep 2m apart from each other at all times because of this. This being said though they certainly have an obligation to observe the rules when they are out and about and people are just going about their business.

TBF it would be really interesting to see how the COVID sickness rates for the three London emergency services compare vs the rest of the London NHS and also wider business.

At at guess, I think people might find that the emergency services have had lower sickess rates, and that this has been helped by how they were working already - ie: that for most of the day you might be within 2m of a colleague / colleagues, but that its usually the same colleague / colleagues; that a lot of time is spent outside, that sensible social distancing measures have been brought in within the workplace and (probably most importantly) that they all recognize that people who are infectious should not come to work and should still be paid whilst they are off.

Take crowded areas away and ask the right questions before deployment, and the risk to staff when they go to a call can be reduced a lot as well (though obviously random encounters on the street are still a problem).

 

[2hats]

A UK pilot trial of various home SARS-CoV-2 (lgG/lgM) antibody self-testing kits (Lateral Flow Method immunochromatographic assays) is about to start. The aims are to establish how accurate these kits are and how easily the public can use them to test themselves and thus, hopefully, overall infection rates across the population.

Home testing for coronavirus to track levels of infection in the community
Imperial College London is to lead a major programme of home testing for COVID-19 to track the progress of the infection across England

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/197217/home-testing-coronavirus-track-levels-infection/

 

[treelover]

Everything is so slow, compared to most other EU countries, the test won't be available to the general public for some time

waiting is tolerable if nothing else can be done, but other countries have had these in place for some time.

 

[Teaboy]

Everything is so slow, compared to most other EU countries, the test won't be available to the general public for some time

waiting is tolerable if nothing else can be done, but other countries have had these in place for some time.

Not the antibody test they don't. Or if they do it'll likely be an unreliable one. This is the test to see whether you've already had it not whether you currently have it.

In general the antibody test would be so useful for understanding spread and how many people have actually been exposed. Though as has been mentioned on here it does risk the danger of creating a two tier system and would likely make any lockdown even harder to enforce.

 

[2hats]

the test won't be available to the general public for some time

That's because the accuracy and usability need to be evaluated.

but other countries have had these in place for some time.

Can you point me to another country that has been offering reliable large scale (>= 100,000) antibody tests of individuals at home? Many plan to, indeed would like to.

 

[William of Walworth]

The pub that won't close

Police close Sheffield pub disobeying lockdown laws - with customers hiding in cupboards
A Sheffield pub has been forced to close after police officers were tipped-off that it was still serving during lockdown and found customers hiding in cupboards.

www.thestar.co.uk

Few on here use that pub,
btw, imo, Sheffield is not now a heavy drinking city, like say Liverpool, it was in the past, mines steelworkers, with money, etc.

I'm not at all surprised -- I looked it up on What Pub? (the CAMRA guide) and it looks pretty skanky -- no real ale
Same is true of the other Sheffield pub the same idiotic licensee got into trouble over (The Staffordshire Arms).

And Sheffield is (in normal times, obvs) a great beer and good pub paradise, more generally!

 

[belboid]

I'm not at all surprised -- I looked it up on What Pub? (the CAMRA guide) and it looks pretty skanky -- no real ale
Same is true of the other Sheffield pub the same idiotic licensee got into trouble over (The Staffordshire Arms).

And Sheffield is (in normal times, obvs) a great beer and good pub paradise, more generally!

Both fairly close to each other.

god knows where the idea Sheffield isn’t a heavy drinking city comes from. It’s utter rubbish, the city still haswell above average alcohol disease rates.

 

[redsquirrel]

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By sections I take it you/they mean overwhelming majorities

 

[SpineyNorman]

Can you report cops for failing to socially distance? Almost lost my rag with a bunch of PCSOs and had to go for a walk to calm down

You only ever see them when you havent got your gun.

 

[zahir]

 

[Steel Icarus]

What's happening with the NHS army of volunteers?

 

[SpineyNorman]

If they had it in GP surgeries how would the tories funnel public money their backers?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

What's happening with the NHS army of volunteers?

Someone I work with tried to volunteer. After loads of hassle getting registered they never gave him anything to do. He gave up in the end (as you would).

 

[cupid_stunt]

81,611 tests yesterday.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Someone I work with tried to volunteer. After loads of hassle getting registered they never gave him anything to do. He gave up in the end (as you would).

Two mates of mine had exactly the same experience.

They've had volunteers being given amateur cop badges and moving people on from park benches around me.