Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[Marty1]

Where?

Apple news feed.

 

[Orang Utan]

Apple news feed.

No, where?

 

[Numbers]

Captain, or Colonel Tom on the flypast earlier.

“I am one of the few people here who’ve seen the Hurricane and Spitfire flying past in anger, and fortunately today they’re all flying peacefully - that’s what’s outstanding”

 

[maomao]

Apple news feed.

That's basically saying 'I saw it on my phone'. Bit crap especially when you're the only person claiming to have seen this. Apple news provides news based on what you're interested in so yours is probably mostly alt-right nonsense and animal sex.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Anyone have a serious explanation as to why Tory backbenchers seem fixated on the re-opening of garden centres?

Maybe it's code for BDSM dungeons.

 

[frogwoman]

 

[littlebabyjesus]

They're never going to admit fault or apologise, are they?

 

[zahir]

Conservative Friends of Israel going after John Ashton

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/bbc-urged-to-stop-featuring-zionist-tweet-public-health-expert-1.499321

 

[frogwoman]

Conservative Friends of Israel going after John Ashton

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/bbc-urged-to-stop-featuring-zionist-tweet-public-health-expert-1.499321

Nah, I'm jewish, those comments arent good imo and he needs to explain them at least, although it doesn't necessarily mean the bbc should stop inviting him on

 

[frogwoman]

They're never going to admit fault or apologise, are they?

He's deleted it now.

 

[zahir]

Nah, I'm jewish, those comments arent good imo and he needs to explain them at least, although it doesn't necessarily mean the bbc should stop inviting him on

This is his version of it:


Then again I don’t know what he actually said.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This is his version of it:


Then again I don’t know what he actually said.

The tweet in which he says 'Jews need to reflect' is the problematic one, as it doesn't say 'Israelis need to reflect' or 'Zionists need to reflect', simply 'Jews'. The rest of it is fair comment, imo. Whether or not you agree with him, he's entitled to call Gaza a ghetto and to compare Zionists to Nazis. Anti-Zionism, even in its strongest 'they're Nazis' form, is not the same as anti-Semitism.

He's right, of course, that this is being used to discredit him by people who aren't actually outraged by his tweets at all. But he's also a bit naive to think it wouldn't be used like that, and he fucked up with the 'Jews need to reflect' tweet.

 

[frogwoman]

I think that's highly debatable, no it's not necessarily antisemitism but most jews, including myself, find Nazi comparisons highly offensive despite despising the Israeli govt

 

[frogwoman]

In any case he needs to explain his comments, 'Jews need to reflect' and bringing nazis into it isn't a good look.

In general it's a good idea to leave the jews out of it tbh

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think that's highly debatable, no it's not necessarily antisemitism but most jews, including myself, find Nazi comparisons highly offensive despite despising the Israeli govt

It's not a comparison I would make as I don't think it's accurate. Comparisons with Apartheid South Africa are more accurate. We don't necessarily have a right not to be offended, though, and I would defend his right to say it even if I don't think it's a wise thing to say.

 

[frogwoman]

It's not a comparison I would make as I don't think it's accurate. Comparisons with Apartheid South Africa are more accurate. We don't necessarily have a right not to be offended, though, and I would defend his right to say it even if I don't think it's a wise thing to say.

If I were you id maybe step back a bit from this one.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I think that's highly debatable, no it's not necessarily antisemitism but most jews, including myself, find Nazi comparisons highly offensive despite despising the Israeli govt

Of course

 

[platinumsage]

The tweet in which he says 'Jews need to reflect' is the problematic one, as it doesn't say 'Israelis need to reflect' or 'Zionists need to reflect', simply 'Jews'. The rest of it is fair comment, imo. Whether or not you agree with him, he's entitled to call Gaza a ghetto and to compare Zionists to Nazis. Anti-Zionism, even in its strongest 'they're Nazis' form, is not the same as anti-Semitism.

He's right, of course, that this is being used to discredit him by people who aren't actually outraged by his tweets at all. But he's also a bit naive to think it wouldn't be used like that, and he fucked up with the 'Jews need to reflect' tweet.

He has a history of this, it's not a fuck-up:

John Ashton (public health director) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

That’s the height of me charging in on my horse this week Froggie

 

[treelover]

Sheffield volunteers required for contact tracing group:


Volunteers in Sheffield are being recruited and will be supervised by doctors and public health officials.
Retired health staff start virus contact tracing

Not even getting paid?

 

[Petcha]

So the Mail is reporting we're going into June with the lockdown... fucking hell

Boris Johnson set to dash hopes of an early end to coronavirus curbs

Having chaired Cabinet this morning, Boris Johnson said on Twitter that he 'understands the impatience' of people to end the draconian restrictions crippling the economy.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[frogwoman]

So the Mail is reporting we're going into June with the lockdown... fucking hell

Boris Johnson set to dash hopes of an early end to coronavirus curbs

Having chaired Cabinet this morning, Boris Johnson said on Twitter that he 'understands the impatience' of people to end the draconian restrictions crippling the economy.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It's the mail tho?

 

[Petcha]

It's the mail tho?

Their sources are as good as anyone elses

 

[Teaboy]

So the Mail is reporting we're going into June with the lockdown... fucking hell

Boris Johnson set to dash hopes of an early end to coronavirus curbs

Having chaired Cabinet this morning, Boris Johnson said on Twitter that he 'understands the impatience' of people to end the draconian restrictions crippling the economy.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Not surprising if true. It always seemed like from the get go it would be end of May / early June at the earliest and that's just the start of the easing. Thing is though, its unofficially already happening. We've already seen the likes of B&Q decide to start opening. Fast food joints are slowly coming back on-line. I also think you'll see a big uptick in construction activity in the coming weeks, remember the sites that are closed are only because decisions made by clients and contractors.

We're going to have this weird situation where the cart is going to lead the donkey. Question is, can this be considered a deliberate policy or the consequence of not having a policy?

 

[belboid]

Not even getting paid?

That is what volunteers means, yes. Numbers involved would supposedly make it impractical and too costly for a ‘proper’ recruitment process. It’s just Heeley & Meersbrook at the moment.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Their sources are as good as anyone elses

But everything they write is designed to serve an agenda, not to convey information. Phrases like 'draconian curbs crippling the economy' are not neutral. The fact that newspapers are bleeding money at the moment is I'm sure entirely incidental to this choice of words.

 

[Petcha]

But everything they write is designed to serve an agenda, not to convey information. Phrases like 'draconian curbs crippling the economy' are not neutral. The fact thaty newspapers are bleeding money at the moment is I'm sure entirely incidental to this choice of words.

I assume their journos have fairly high placed Tory sources. Sturgeon's on right now anyway, probably announcing June.

I also don't agree they're bleeding money right now. I would have though online papers' traffic has gone through the roof. Therefore advertising revenue will follow.

 

[treelover]

Captain, or Colonel Tom on the flypast earlier.

“I am one of the few people here who’ve seen the Hurricane and Spitfire flying past in anger, and fortunately today they’re all flying peacefully - that’s what’s outstanding”

He comes across as a more conservative, small c, version of Leslie Harry Smith, a nice guy, though he should be aware he is starting to be used.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Not surprising if true. It always seemed like from the get go it would be end of May / early June at the earliest and that's just the start of the easing. Thing is though, its unofficially already happening. We've already seen the likes of B&Q decide to start opening. Fast food joints are slowly coming back on-line. I also think you'll see a big uptick in construction activity in the coming weeks, remember the sites that are closed are only because decisions made by clients and contractors.

We're going to have this weird situation where the cart is going to lead the donkey. Question is, can this be considered a deliberate policy or the consequence of not having a policy?

TBF, the likes of B&Q, take-a-ways, and construction sites never had to close anyway, just operate with consideration to the social distancing rules.

 

[killer b]

He's been used from the very second his fundraiser started getting momentum.