Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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Not a lot it would seem. I volunteered and was set up on the app fairly quickly. Since then I’ve clocked up 532 hour’s ‘on duty’ without a call. From the map which is part of the app I can see a lot of Volunteers in my area. I’d be willing to bet none have been called.
I’ve received a few emails from ‘Goodsamapp’ NHS Volunteers. One of them suggested that DBS checks were slowing things down and asked people who were already checked to let them know. I am and I did. Still nothing.
I can only assume that we were not required and that the NHS plus other carers and support networks were able to respond without calling on volunteers.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
He suggests the ventilators were a distraction and the Nightingales surplus to requirements and there is massive cross-infection within hospitals and into care-homes.
And that the virus should not have been downgraded - hospital deaths almost on ebola scale
And that the virus should not have been downgraded - hospital deaths almost on ebola scale
My other half is a nurse. She tells me there's lots of actual NHS staff twiddling their thumbs so I've no idea what they'd do with volunteers. I think it was a PR stunt.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
there are plenty of Volunteer Action groups to offer one's services - try your LA
maomao
普費斯
I don't think they gave the testing to Deloitte just because they're mates. I just think the junior politicians responsible for that kind of decision genuinely believe all intelligent people work in financial services and that it was the right choice. Which is worse really.
maomao
普費斯
Yes, he's only barely able to communicate at all. He does however remain the best communicator in government. Have you seen Patel or Raab?
Yes. They're bad examples though. Patel makes me want to go on eBay for a sniper rifle and Raab.. well. He's clearly a psychopath. He gives me the shits.
Rishi's very good. Even Hancock communicates better than the bumbling idiot who just appeared on our screens.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The even scarier thing is that these idiots get trained in media comms. Imagine what Patel or Raab were like before their training.
maomao
普費斯
You can't get them, I've looked. If you fancy trying with a crossbow or something you'll have all our best wishes.
andysays
Love and solidarity
It's worth pointing out here that the 2 metre thing isn't an absolute thing, it's a guide. Keeping 2 metres apart doesn't guarantee you won't catch it off someone, but it does reduce the risk significantly.
There are other measures work colleagues who are unable to keep 2 metres away from each other all day can take to reduce risk, and hopefully most organisations where this is relevant have implemented them, or will if/when there's a significant return to work.
I'll return to this when I've cooked and eaten my tea...
2hats
Dust.
But how many of those equate to unique, reliable test results from individuals? That is, after all, the entire point of the exercise.
- There are multiple tests per individual being performed (for clinical reasons).
- There are some fraction of tests being posted out but not (yet) returned, let alone producing a result.
- Then only some fraction of the tests completed with results are accurate.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Well "herd immunity" Twitter's in meltdown right now over the announcement that it's government policy to use all necessary measures to keep the R rate below one. (Despite Johnson saying the exact same thing on Monday.) Apocalyptic visions of years of lockdown abounding, no sports, no pubs, no theatre, no weddings, a life not worth living.
Indeed. So now it actually affects you, perhaps you'll at last drop your laissez-faire fantasy of letting the virus rip, and get behind efforts to contact trace the damn thing into oblivion?
Indeed. So now it actually affects you, perhaps you'll at last drop your laissez-faire fantasy of letting the virus rip, and get behind efforts to contact trace the damn thing into oblivion?
Fuck the tories. I suspected they would find some way of making Liverpool pay.
Liverpool facing bankruptcy after govt virus funding failure
City Council facing a £44m cliff edge is considering filing notice to impose emergency spending banwww.liverpoolecho.co.uk
Let CV19 take out London by failing to implement a timely lockdown, bankrupt Liverpool in time of crisis; Manchester better watch out!
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Bizarre experience to read the howling "herd immunity" mob from a conservative POV: obsessed with personal autonomy regardless of social cost, unable to conceive of effective government action, fatalistic through and through. If they'd been around in the 1840s (and I suspect quite a few were), you just know they'd be shrugging their shoulders and saying that famine relief would be an affront to Malthus and the market.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Johnson may have given away how they intend to soon recommend face coverings - giving people confidence to go back to work etc.
When Whitty mentioned using all cause mortality to judge once this is over, it was joined by a couple of extra words. It is now 'all cause mortality adjusted for age'.
Vallance mentioned the proper surveying to get the R number that has started this week, and I think I heard Whitty mention that same thing at the end of last week.
Johnson evoked the old 500,000 deaths reasonable worst case number in order to make our current numbers sound a bit less horrible. Also wanted to make it sound like the idea we are beyond the peak is some kind of new announcement he got to make today.
Some vague talk about the ingenious ways we may come up with to keep R below 1. A new video about R. And Johnson saying something about his R soul looking like an alpine tunnel.
A lot of praise regarding how well this country has done at getting people to sign up for clinical trials.
Their rather obvious desire not to have us judge the UK pandemic response against other countries till its all over could actually be useful in saving some lives in future in this country I suppose. They might decide to try to do better on various key fronts than some countries will in later phases, somewhat compensating for the initial disasters.
Johnson couldnt help still comparing the UK to other countries whenever he wanted to make it sound like we were doing well though.
Johnson also claimed that we did our lockdown earlier (relative to the stage of epidemic) than France, Italy and Spain. I've not analysed that properly yet but its a bit of a stretch when it comes to Italy for a start. Depending on the detail, perhaps the idea is that we were 1 day earlier than Italy in relative terms, but I would need to check. I dont doubt that the much softer week before the lockdown announcement helped because there were already signs of quite widespread behavioural changes, so that helped the timing a little. But to try to make our timing sound good is definately a stretch. Its also dodgy for him to talk about the timing being reasonable because they wanted the measure to coincide with the peak as much as possible, because as other government experts pointed our recently, the peak we had was not the natural epidemic peak, it peaked at the time and level that it did because of the social distancing, lockdown etc. Locking down 1 or 2 weeks earlier than we did would change the shape and timing of things, but not in a way that would obviously be a case of 'oh no, we went too soon', thats not how it works.
When Whitty mentioned using all cause mortality to judge once this is over, it was joined by a couple of extra words. It is now 'all cause mortality adjusted for age'.
Vallance mentioned the proper surveying to get the R number that has started this week, and I think I heard Whitty mention that same thing at the end of last week.
Johnson evoked the old 500,000 deaths reasonable worst case number in order to make our current numbers sound a bit less horrible. Also wanted to make it sound like the idea we are beyond the peak is some kind of new announcement he got to make today.
Some vague talk about the ingenious ways we may come up with to keep R below 1. A new video about R. And Johnson saying something about his R soul looking like an alpine tunnel.
A lot of praise regarding how well this country has done at getting people to sign up for clinical trials.
Their rather obvious desire not to have us judge the UK pandemic response against other countries till its all over could actually be useful in saving some lives in future in this country I suppose. They might decide to try to do better on various key fronts than some countries will in later phases, somewhat compensating for the initial disasters.
Johnson couldnt help still comparing the UK to other countries whenever he wanted to make it sound like we were doing well though.
Johnson also claimed that we did our lockdown earlier (relative to the stage of epidemic) than France, Italy and Spain. I've not analysed that properly yet but its a bit of a stretch when it comes to Italy for a start. Depending on the detail, perhaps the idea is that we were 1 day earlier than Italy in relative terms, but I would need to check. I dont doubt that the much softer week before the lockdown announcement helped because there were already signs of quite widespread behavioural changes, so that helped the timing a little. But to try to make our timing sound good is definately a stretch. Its also dodgy for him to talk about the timing being reasonable because they wanted the measure to coincide with the peak as much as possible, because as other government experts pointed our recently, the peak we had was not the natural epidemic peak, it peaked at the time and level that it did because of the social distancing, lockdown etc. Locking down 1 or 2 weeks earlier than we did would change the shape and timing of things, but not in a way that would obviously be a case of 'oh no, we went too soon', thats not how it works.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I agree except for the geography bit. I don't think being an island is particularly relevant. The fact that London is a major world city with huge numbers of people passing through it is more of a factor.
I can't bring myself to watch any government stuff atm. I assume there is still no hint of contrition?
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
You seen the rest of them?
Michael fucking Gove, Dominic Raab and Priti Patel?
Best is a low bar.
elbows
Well-Known Member
In terms of press conference slides, today the one showing travel levels was not present! And they finally added one for Covid-19 hospital admissions (as opposed to current levels in hospitals which has been present for a while).
from Slides, datasets and transcripts to accompany coronavirus press conferences
from Slides, datasets and transcripts to accompany coronavirus press conferences
Yes. I've become a bit of a fanboy of these things. Watching between my fingers. The latest 'innovation' of allowing softball questions from the public is particularly hilarious.
'That's a great question, Dominic C from North London.'
Where the fuck is Rees-Mogg. That would basically make me ejaculate if he strolled out there.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I suspect the travel levels slide would have shown an uptick in vehicular travel, the news was on about it today saying that the roads are more busy than for a while.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
None, although Johnson generously allows that mistakes could've been made (from which, doubtless, lessons will be learned).
Fair point about London, but people still have to get in via aeroplane. Swift and expansive use of travel bans and quarantine could, as shown by Taiwan, have vastly reduced the number of carriers and clusters, giving our limited contact tracing resources a real chance of preventing an outbreak. Much easier to employ quarantine in airports than along vast land borders (especially with Schengen in operation).
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Or until an aggressive suppression system eliminates the virus from the general population. Now the "herd immunity" crew have had their "run hot" hopes dashed, and find themselves forced to confront the horrific implications of relying on the cudgel of lockdown long term, expect to see a parade of converts to actually fighting the virus instead of surrendering to it.
bimble
floofy
I spoke to someone today who lives in Guatemala City and he was describing how lockdown and mask wearing has been enforced there, for weeks, really massive fines for breaking the rules on either, police & army roadblocks everywhere. It’s just so strange to see the choices each country makes faced with the same thing.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
France's bureaucracy is paying off.
Do we not have anything like this in the UK ?
I bet they'll be looking at Lot to see what happened there ...
Do we not have anything like this in the UK ?
I bet they'll be looking at Lot to see what happened there ...
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