Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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bimble
floofy
Just on this flights thing (yesterday’s news I know) I think this past few days has seen a large number of government chartered repatriation flights bringing people back here(from India Bangladesh loads of countries),flights that were arranged over the past few weeks from countries in lockdown.
That seems unlikely, it's been a regular part of the criticism of the government response for weeks. I guess its probably easier to pretend you dont know something than face the inevitably much more difficult follow up questions though.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Mmmm.... How does it go now? “30 days hath September, April, June and November”
maomao
普費斯
Do it with your knuckles instead. You can make the poem scan and rhyme with loads of different months.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
No, she genuinely hadn't. And she's the Minister for Safeguarding. The govt press team is as incompetent as her for letting her go on national TV that unprepared. I know she's relatively inexperienced but still, shes a government minister. Even I had heard of it.
It's an utter disgrace they completely ignored the findings of Exercise Cygnus. And then have the cheek to stand outside their houses clapping the NHS every thursday.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Knuckles, you say?
Numbers
an ting!
He ripped her a new one for sure.
She did say she remembered the exercise but not the name, but couldn’t give any info except about legislative blah blah.
As said, Morgan is a twat/annoying the best of times but it’s fantastic watching him rip these feckers apart.
maomao
普費斯
Left to right. Tops of knuckles are 31, fleshy gaps are 30 or February. Either continue on right hand or start again from August as Jul and Aug both 31.
It gets my day off to a merry start, in a warped way.. I actually felt a bit sorry for that particular one in the end. She looked broken.
How practicle would it be to book a test online if you're suffering the simptoms, have a test crew turn up, hand the kit over with instructions, safely and take samples back for testing.
Are swab tests time criticle, needing to be annalised within an impractically short time period to make this non viable.
(thinking aloud.)
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That's actually quite brilliant. I usually have to ask the internet. That stupid poem you learn at school is useless for remembering.
Numbers
an ting!
She should never have smiled/laughed.
Those poor people, their situation is absolutely desperate.
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
This exactly, unless swabs are taken properly the test can be inaccurate. Making already stressed people drive miles and then attempt to follow what looks like poorly written pages of instructions to do what can be an uncomfortable or painful process. Seems set up to fail.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
My understanding of how it has been working in Germany is that you call them up and they come and test you at your home. Surely it's totally mad to ask people who think they have symptoms of Covid 19 to do anything other than stay put.
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
Yup, that arsehole being interviewed by Piers Morgan went on about watching other countries, then they roll out this rubbish. I've no confidence in what's being done at all.
I know already mentioned but it's incredible to think given how severe the simptoms can be, those people are expected to leave the house. A, even if they have a car and B are well enough to drive. 2 ridiculous assumptions to incorporate into a test regeme.
I'm gonna have a look later because surely this can't be the actual idea for test and trace. Get an uber to the test centre. or don't be counted.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
If you're healthy, stay home, save lives. If you're ill, get in your car and drive miles from your home.I know already mentioned but it's incredible to think given how severe the simptoms can be, those people are expected to leave the house. A, even if they have a car and B are well enough to drive. 2 ridiculous assumptions to incorporate into a test regeme.
I'm gonna have a look later because surely this can't be the actual idea for test and trace. Get an uber to the test centre. or don't be counted.
The whole thing is being organised by the Mad Hatter.
Well there are home testing kits but surprise, probably in short supply and I think these were mentioned as only good in agrogate. i.e. as a survey tool, rather than diagnosis on an individual basis. A cursery Google shows news reports from 10 days ago, for plans to deliver these.
e2a
www.gov.uk
Though I think I have conflated something said in yesterday's pres conference regarding the accuracy of (these / some other?) tests) regarding individual diagnosis.
e2a
Testing for COVID-19
Find out who can get free NHS tests, how to get tested, and what your test result means.
www.gov.uk
Though I think I have conflated something said in yesterday's pres conference regarding the accuracy of (these / some other?) tests) regarding individual diagnosis.
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
It would be hugely more resource intensive to do home visits, and also subject the people doing the visits to a much higher risk of infection and other things.
It's not ideal at all, but there is some logic behind it in that if people are to unwell to travel then they're much more likely to have it (or it doesnt matter so much knowing as they're at home anyway), the testing this way is more to establish the infective status of people with mild symptoms, especially to see if they can go back to work or not.
I think eventually it will move to home testing, and that will be better, but the sheer volume of tests needed now makes that impossible.
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Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
3000 deaths in care homes in a week. It's criminal that these deaths haven't been included in the main numbers. Does anyone know if other countries are doing it differently? All those graphs showing our trajectory versus other countries, are they using hospital-only deaths for all countries? Or have all the comparisons been bollocks?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Yes. I'm shocked that they wasted our time at school with the hopeless poem, when this solution was literally in front of us the whole time.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
This is what I've always done. Never known the stupid song.
As evidenced by not realising this was wrong.
andysays
Love and solidarity
It also depends what the purpose of testing is.
I suspect ATM it's more about confirming that people don't have it, so they can continue working etc, rather than getting an accurate picture of exactly how many people currently have it.
We clearly don't have the capacity or the capability to do the latter, however useful or important that info might be.
Supine
Newt Member
Both sets of numbers have been presented for some time
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's a mixture. UK's official figures are hospital deaths only, as are Italy's. France switched to include care homes a little while back, and Belgium is trying to count all deaths everywhere, even including some that are suspected rather than confirmed.
It's very hard comparing figures for that reason. Belgium looks awful but is probably about the same as here. France is probably a bit better than here. You can compare the UK with Italy directly as they use more or less the same criteria.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
But the headline figures are still quoted as hospital deaths, and I think it has been those on the comparison graphs between countries, no? The figure the guardian gives for UK deaths in their counter box is just over 20k. I don't understand why. Sorry if this has been covered already, but just trying to work out what it means that care home deaths are not included in the main count and whether the death numbers are actually comparable between countries.
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