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Raab in todays press conference "I think you've certainly made us all think long and hard about who the key workers are in our lives".
 
More here on the work going on at Porton Down:


Mentions an initial sample group of 800, which will presumably have been used to calibrate the tests themselves and check their reliability. They're now looking to study a randomised sample up to 20,000 people who will be tested repeatedly over a period of time. This should allow some conclusions about how many people have been exposed, how many of those exposed develop symptoms, and how long acquired immunity might persist. We're looking at a timescale of months rather than weeks for that data though.
 
Here's a whole bunch of extra-special fucking twats in action

yup dickheads, can only see it getting worse
apparently 2 of them had their bikes nicked and confronted the others, surprised it wasn't worse tbh
 
More here on the work going on at Porton Down:


Mentions an initial sample group of 800, which will presumably have been used to calibrate the tests themselves and check their reliability. They're now looking to study a randomised sample up to 20,000 people who will be tested repeatedly over a period of time. This should allow some conclusions about how many people have been exposed, how many of those exposed develop symptoms, and how long acquired immunity might persist. We're looking at a timescale of months rather than weeks for that data though.

Good, nice to see the subject written up, especially as I'm about worn out with explaining it for months.

Its a shame that the first results arent actually going to be available on the timescale John Newton suggested in the press conference last week. Never mind, at this rate we will have plenty of clues from other countries long before then.

Vallance actually mentioned more from other studies in other places than I thought he might today. He was prepared to suggest that it was likely the pproportion of asymptomatic cases was under 50 percent, not over 50, and could be around 30. And that percentage of people infected in various places so far was looking to be low single digit numbers, with a few examples of it being a bit higher than that in some places.

Other science stuff of note from todays press conference would be WHittys comments about how the doubling rate for things like intensive care cases had gone from about 3 days when he first spoke about the subject, to something more like 6 days now. And Vallance pointed out that there now should not be a doubling time at all in the community (but this will take longer to filter on to intensive care numbers and then deaths no longer doubling).
 
Do you think people need to be made to behave? I've seen very little evidence of it personally. I think it's rather the reverse regarding the police, that they are frustrated by the way that they are not really needed to enforce the lockdown. No good for a police force to have people policing themselves.

As someone who works in a local shop I can tell you first hand that the abidance of the lockdown is fucking atrocious. In normal times my job is easy, it still is now compared to the NHS workers going through this, but I have never been as stressed out as I have been the past month because so many people just barely even give a fuck about the lockdown. They can't even have the common sense to do social distancing. The amount of people that just pop in several times a day for a can of beer or a packet of crisps is infuriating, I have to really bite my tongue.

That's not to say everyone is like this. I'd say it's about 50/50 but it needs to be a lot better than that. Working in a role like this at a time like this is, frankly, fucking terrifying. You swing between moments of 'I'll be alright even if I do get the virus' to being actually afraid that you're gonna end up in serious trouble all because some cretin leaning over the counter and breathing in your face because they can't go five minutes without a fucking beer. Forty years of me, me, me society played out in daily interaction during a pandemic.

In answer to your question, yes people do need to be made to behave. I fully support giving everyone a permit that only allows them one weekly shop. Didn't get enough beer during that shop? Tough shit. This is a fucking health crisis not a minor inconvenience.

Sorry, I just really needed to have this rant and it's not aimed at you.
 
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This is interesting
"Industries like manufacturing could return to normal before entertainment companies, according to Whitehall sources "

on my daily allotted bike ride I go through an industrial estate and ive noticed some welders making steel girders havent stopped working...i often wonder if they're just chancing it or have permission
 
Good, nice to see the subject written up, especially as I'm about worn out with explaining it for months.

Its a shame that the first results arent actually going to be available on the timescale John Newton suggested in the press conference last week. Never mind, at this rate we will have plenty of clues from other countries long before then.

Vallance actually mentioned more from other studies in other places than I thought he might today. He was prepared to suggest that it was likely the pproportion of asymptomatic cases was under 50 percent, not over 50, and could be around 30. And that percentage of people infected in various places so far was looking to be low single digit numbers, with a few examples of it being a bit higher than that in some places.

That's in line with Ferguson/Imperial stuff right? The % of infections at least... And I suppose might mean restrictions for a while yet, and a cycle of lockdowns that is going to leave a lot of bereaved people, and a lot of exhausted health workers.
 
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