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Favelado said:
Agreed.
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If they'd wanted to, and if the numbers were significant enough, they could have given the actual numbers of parties broken up, like they've given the actual number of 'gatherings on parks' they've dealt with (presumably they'll count every old man told to move on from a park bench in this particular number though).

Fact is, they don't have the numbers to enforce this lockdown, so one of the ways they're making us behave is by shaming us through stories like this - don't play up to it.
 
killer b said:
I had noticed - I'm sure everyone else had too - that most if not all of the doctors who've died from the virus so far are from ethnic minority backgrounds - has there been any explanation of this?
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The BBC article contains a bunch of plausible reasons for the broader picture, and when it comes to healthcare, there is this:

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killer b said:
If they'd wanted to, and if the numbers were significant enough, they could have given the actual numbers of parties broken up, like they've given the actual number of 'gatherings on parks' they've dealt with (presumably they'll count every old man told to move on from a park bench in this particular number though).

Fact is, they don't have the numbers to enforce this lockdown, so one of the ways they're making us behave is by shaming us through stories like this - don't play up to it.
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I don't have a problem with them reporting the number of reports. I'm disappointed people need to be 'made to behave' in a situation like this. I know we're at loggerheads on this. I also know what you're getting at. Not a fan of the police.
 
Favelado said:
I don't have a problem with them reporting the number of reports. I'm disappointed people need to be 'made to behave' in a situation like this. I know we're at loggerheads on this. I also know what you're getting at. Not a fan of the police.
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I don't have a problem with them reporting the number of reports either, as long as it's done honestly. It isn't being here, and there's people going wild about this story all over the country right now because of the way it's reported.
 
Favelado said:
I don't have a problem with them reporting the number of reports. I'm disappointed people need to be 'made to behave' in a situation like this. I know we're at loggerheads on this. I also know what you're getting at. Not a fan of the police.
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Do you think people need to be made to behave? I've seen very little evidence of it personally. I think it's rather the reverse regarding the police, that they are frustrated by the way that they are not really needed to enforce the lockdown. No good for a police force to have people policing themselves.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Do you think people need to be made to behave? I've seen very little evidence of it personally. I think it's rather the reverse regarding the police, that they are frustrated by the way that they are not really needed to enforce the lockdown. No good for a police force to have people policing themselves.
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Talk about only seeing what you want to see. There have been many violations.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Do you think people need to be made to behave? I've seen very little evidence of it personally. I think it's rather the reverse regarding the police, that they are frustrated by the way that they are not really needed to enforce the lockdown. No good for a police force to have people policing themselves.
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Do I think people need to be made to behave in general?
No, I wouldn't want to be associated with such a statement. I was quoting another poster. That's why it was in quotation marks.

I am disappointed that a signifcant proportion of people are ignoring the lockdown. It's not the majority or anything close to it, but it's worse than I expected. I don't know that the police aren't needed for this. I guess they might be. I don't feel cheerful typing that.
 
killer b said:
the proportion isn't significant - it's actually a very small percentage (I've seen local data suggesting activity is down 95%). But even a small percentage of the entire population of the country is a shitload of people, and still needs policing. I don't think lying about data is a good way of going about that though.
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And I was already beyond bored and frustrated that, before this pandemic, a rather high proportion of the local print news was just rehashed police press releases.
 
killer b said:
the proportion isn't significant - it's actually a very small percentage (I've seen local data suggesting activity is down 95%). But even a small percentage of the entire population of the country is a shitload of people, and still needs policing. I don't think lying about data is a good way of going about that though.
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It just comes down to semantics about significant then. Again, I see what you mean.
 
killer b said:
I don't think lying about data is a good way of going about that though.
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Particularly when people are going to notice the rulebreakers a lot more than they're going to notice people who aren't there at all, because they're at home. That on top of the fact that humans naturally pick up on, and thus amplify the perceived importance of, outliers of all kinds.

The single biggest pisstake is construction sites still operating. That will dwarf the impact of any number of sunbathers or kickabouts.
 
Taphoi said:
.. The only sensible early way out is to release low risk people from lock-down as soon as possible and to allow 60% immunity to be approached. .
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Thats exactly what they are touting now isn't it? But who are these low risk people exactly though who would be sent back to work in order to help us reach herd immunity?
 
SpookyFrank said:
The single biggest pisstake is construction sites still operating. That will dwarf the impact of any number of sunbathers or kickabouts.
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Having a league table of dumbarsery doesn't help. Better to cut it all out. However, it's out and out insanity to have construction sites up and running. Is there any reason given for that? It's baffling.
 
Favelado said:
It just comes down to semantics about significant then. Again, I see what you mean.
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Well, the 5% includes permitted activity, so the actual % of rule breaking is even smaller. It isn't semantics - we have wide, almost total compliance with the lockdown restrictions. To call that tiny % of people taking the piss 'a significant proportion' isn't semantics.
 
killer b said:
Well, the 5% includes permitted activity, so the actual % of rule breaking is even smaller. It isn't semantics - we have wide, almost total compliance with the lockdown restrictions. To call that tiny % of people taking the piss 'a significant proportion' isn't semantics.
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God. Is there any other forum where you can agree with someone and get this back?
 
Favelado said:
Having a league table of dumbarsery doesn't help. Better to cut it all out. However, it's out and out insanity to have construction sites up and running. Is there any reason given for that? It's baffling.
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Still the official line is that you can go to work if you can't work from home. There seems to be no list of stuff that's non-essential and should be closed down. It's been left up to individual companies basically. Retailers that don't want to take the PR hit from staying open have closed, but many construction contractors don't seem to give a fuck. The biggest site near me says 'Carillion' on the hoardings so fuck knows who is actually doing the work.
 
bimble said:
Thats exactly what they are touting now isn't it? But who are these low risk people exactly though who would be sent back to work in order to help us reach herd immunity?
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I'm sure I read somewhere they were thinking of healthy people between 20-30. They also had to live alone.
I've no idea how that would pan out. Would these healthy bods not be able to have contact with anyone else? Elderly parents, neighbour with diabetes, bus driver with asthma?
It sounds to me like a desperate and unworkable stab at an exit strategy.
 
So, my mates have a group email thread. One of them has just posted this.

The new "Nightingale" hospital is not close to full and other hospitals have spare capacity. If we don't act now we can predict the new infection rate will head for a dip in a few weeks - an unacceptable waste of time. Perhaps a healthy kill rate of 1000-1500 a day should be our national target. A "Britain 2020" campaign as in 2020 kills per day?
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Should I block this guy? He's one of my oldest friends. But... well. words fail me.
 
weltweit said:
Wuhan maintained its lockdown, a more stringent one than the UK has, for more than 3 months. I can't see UK coming out much before that either. Sorry ..
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they went into lockdown on 23 january. It hasnt been 3 months yet and they are beginning to open up.
 
ska invita said:
House parties i can imagine people thinking they could get away with...166 street parties in Manchester? Seems really unlikely to me. Since when has Manchester become Rio?
Unless "street party" means drinking White Lightning on a bench
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It could mean so many things and anything above 2 people. I'm sure there have been a handful of parties including more than one household attending. Some outdoor gatherings where all attenddes were not from the same household but 660 seems a lot and I suspect most were pretty modest affairs. Not that it's ok but hmm.
 
SpookyFrank said:
If our city council isn't aware that it's got dozens of people still at work building the new library/bus station (and what an inspired combination of things that is) in the middle of town, I doubt snitching is going to help.
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The Indie on Sunday once reported there were over 100 ways to snitch to the authorities, this will make 101.
 
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