cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
The other big problem is going to be staff shortages in hospitals, with so many going off sick, in London hospitals it's gone up by 140% in a week.
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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The other big problem is going to be staff shortages in hospitals, with so many going off sick, in London hospitals it's gone up by 140% in a week.
I guess it just depends what the percentage ends up being.
When you say "what sage predict": isn't that their "worst case scenario"?
Yossarian
⏭️
"Before we bring in restrictions, let's be absolutely sure it's too late to bring in restrictions."
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Exactly, I just think it's going to be bleak as fuck and the gravity of the situation is being somewhat ignored because of people boring on about parties and saving Christmas.
The Christmas parties make it particularly bad because Johnson now has no control. The real ghouls of the tories now have control of the messaging and that is 'just get boosted and keep on buying shit.' I'm starting to feel the same as I did last year and that wasn't good.
andysays
Love and solidarity
And I'm stating the obvious here (although it appears yet again to have escaped the cabinet's attention) but but the time they've waited for the death figures to be fully known the number of cases will have shot up uncontrolled, leading to far more deaths (and all the other consequences) in the future.
What would be sensible, but what they've stubbornly refused to do every time, would be to say "we don't know how serious this might be, so we're going to assume the worst and take necessary precautions until we know more".
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Labour should be taking a stance because it's the right thing to do (of course). But it's also a political opportunity, particularly as we've just about passed the point of no return with regard to family Christmas gatherings: government paralysed... we support a funded circuit breaker and increased social distancing... use the power of government to make sure workers don't lose out... protect NHS and social care... this is about how societies work, supporting each other... restore Universal Credit payments etc.
It wouldn't be my politics, but there's a massive space there to make the case for social democracy.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
I don't think it was their worst case. I think it's what they predicted if the govnt continue with plan B, something that they're doing.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
It really is that, isn't it?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I mean isn't pretty much every person that knows anything saying that it is inevitably going to result in a large number of hospitalizations and then related deaths, even if it is milder?
I just don't believe the Tories blocking measures are genuinely waiting for that data to actually come in, I think they're largely ideologically opposed to measures coming in and that's the excuse they're currently able to use.
I just don't believe the Tories blocking measures are genuinely waiting for that data to actually come in, I think they're largely ideologically opposed to measures coming in and that's the excuse they're currently able to use.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I don't think most people that know anything are saying "inevitably".
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
I think that assessment is irrefutable unless resorting to Lies.
What really pisses me off is knowing that none of the people responsible for letting this get so bad will ever be held accountable, we need a plainly written constitution and publicly available and funded mechanisms to test the legality of our Government's actions
P.S. I encourage people to sign up for updates from The Good Law Project (and donate if able), its easy to lose sight of the criminal actions our government has normalised
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
They can't even tell the truth about their own decisions.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Well, I've literally just watched one scientist say that, and have seen others already. The amounts are disputed, but not that an increase in infections will result in more hospitalizations and deaths.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I think they absolutely are expecting an increase in hospitalisations and deaths. I also think they are genuinely waiting on the data though, except they're looking to see if it reaches a level they feel they can't get away with. And I think their idea of what that is is quite high.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yes, it's exactly that I think.
andysays
Love and solidarity
It will inevitably happen unless appropriate action is taken.
It's not just about deaths directly caused by Covid, it's also the result of widespread sickness absence in the NHS and other emergency services.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Yeah, I think this is an important point. I think this thread/forum collectively can tend to be a bit of a bubble tbh and we could do with being a bit more understanding at times that not everyone is able to spend so much time analysing the latest Covid news.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It's the same as the climate change problem - "we don't KNOW that it's going to get worse, so we will wait until it does before we act"
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Everyone is expecting an increase but no-one can say for sure that it is going to be a large one. Doesn't mean it's right to do nothing but it's not hard to see why they are scared of putting in major measures and then nothing much happening and a large portion of the electorate saying they over-reacted.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
Hardly anyone vaccinated last year could be a reason for the difference before we even look at the current variant difference.
This is the reason Frost resigned apparently: against coercive measures of plan B
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Called this one right - a friend who did attend just got in touch to tell me he caught covid there.
I don't see this driven (or indeed stalled) by the electorate...
I think part of the reason for the delay is that - unlike at other times, when the public was heavily behind stonger measures - this time it's the opposite.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
What's your sample?
ETA: in response to killer b:
Idk - yes, some polls seemed to say that - and indeed if someone asked me in the street about e.g ban on household mixing, I might well answer "fuck that", too.
But it's actually a good chunk of the electorate voting with their feet and actually restricting their contacts hugely, all the organisers and organisations taking things into their hands and cancelling things.
Idk - yes, some polls seemed to say that - and indeed if someone asked me in the street about e.g ban on household mixing, I might well answer "fuck that", too.
But it's actually a good chunk of the electorate voting with their feet and actually restricting their contacts hugely, all the organisers and organisations taking things into their hands and cancelling things.
I don't know what you mean. It was an opinion.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I'll probably get some stick tbh but I'm not entirely sold on the need for this lockdown. I agreed with all the previous ones and even think we reopened too quickly during the summer but I'm not convinced that the level of hospitalisation and death etc is going to be the same this time, there is quite a lot of data saying it won't and most people have some protection due to vaccines.
I also think there's a risk of this becoming normalised as a policy response to eg a bad flu season or something rather than something that was needed as an emergency measure during a pandemic but hopefully not beyond that.
I also think there's a risk of this becoming normalised as a policy response to eg a bad flu season or something rather than something that was needed as an emergency measure during a pandemic but hopefully not beyond that.
people taking voluntary measures is one of the reasons the headbangers are giving for mandatory measures not being necessary though
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