Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
eh? no.
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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Leighsw2
strictly off the record
Oh yes, Soundshaft - very sweaty!
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
it was apparently used as cold storage for dead bodies of casualties from WW1
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
i had some fun times there, especially when Sex Love & Motion was there. Megatripolis would use it too but can’t remember what they played there - was it the ambient room that had lectures from people like Terence McKenna? that place is such a maze
elbows
Well-Known Member
I know its already being discussed in other threads but I feel like the pandemic book of UK absurdities needs to feature the latest Johnson detail.
Get Covid and live longer
Some of the Great Barrington killer clowns he met in that period probably helped fill his head full of misleading statistics. I remember being rather complacent about that sort of influence at the time, because I said it would not change the equations of when authorities would be forced to lockdown or face hospitals being overwhelmed. This was still true, for example Johnson was still forced to order a lockdown by the end of October. But it gave Johnson extra reasons to follow his terrible instincts and the likes of the Telegraph who Cummings claims Johnson often refers to as being his real boss, for as long as possible before giving in to the inevitable. That Telegraph stuff is mentioned in the above BBC article.
Anyway at the time it was obvious that Johnson had not left himself any proper sceintific cover for his stupid decisions to try to avoid the inevitable last autumn. A bunch of terrible mistakes he made in that period led to a large number of second wave deaths that were quite avoidable. So we dont need Cummings attacks to demonstrate this. Perhaps they are still somewhat useful though, people seeing the apparent private words of Johnson for themselves. I've seen via twitter that Cummings has the same attitude towards ascribing blame to the first two waves as me - Johnson was just one part of broad establishment failures in the first wave, but the scale of the second wave is all on him. I'm not sure exactly what Cummings has said about the current wave but I expect its seen as similar to the second in many ways, with added emphasis on Cummings favoured careening shopping trolley descriptions of Johnson.
Get Covid and live longer
Covid: Boris Johnson resisted autumn lockdown as only over-80s dying - Dominic Cummings
Boris Johnson also questioned whether the NHS would be overwhelmed, his former aide tells the BBC.
www.bbc.co.uk
Some of the Great Barrington killer clowns he met in that period probably helped fill his head full of misleading statistics. I remember being rather complacent about that sort of influence at the time, because I said it would not change the equations of when authorities would be forced to lockdown or face hospitals being overwhelmed. This was still true, for example Johnson was still forced to order a lockdown by the end of October. But it gave Johnson extra reasons to follow his terrible instincts and the likes of the Telegraph who Cummings claims Johnson often refers to as being his real boss, for as long as possible before giving in to the inevitable. That Telegraph stuff is mentioned in the above BBC article.
Anyway at the time it was obvious that Johnson had not left himself any proper sceintific cover for his stupid decisions to try to avoid the inevitable last autumn. A bunch of terrible mistakes he made in that period led to a large number of second wave deaths that were quite avoidable. So we dont need Cummings attacks to demonstrate this. Perhaps they are still somewhat useful though, people seeing the apparent private words of Johnson for themselves. I've seen via twitter that Cummings has the same attitude towards ascribing blame to the first two waves as me - Johnson was just one part of broad establishment failures in the first wave, but the scale of the second wave is all on him. I'm not sure exactly what Cummings has said about the current wave but I expect its seen as similar to the second in many ways, with added emphasis on Cummings favoured careening shopping trolley descriptions of Johnson.
Combustible
Well-Known Member
The good thing about using median age of death as a metric to judge severity is that as long as you make sure you kill an octogenerian for every younger person who dies, then the number will remain unworryingly high.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
<sets up popcorn stand and sounds the statistician klaxon>
I'm not 100% convinced this test and trace app works. 5 days after my colleague reported her positive test on the app, and prior to that letting me know by text message, I've just received a ping. Telling me I need to isolate for 5 days. So conceivably I could have been walking around for 5 days spreading this, if i didn't happen to know the person in question who informed me 'off the record'?
Why is there such a lag? Didn't this thing cost billions?
Why is there such a lag? Didn't this thing cost billions?
Not a ping from someone else and the original contact wasn't picked up?
Not that this answers your final question
Well, no the timings match up. It's a ten day isolation right, if you're pinged immediately? She reported it exactly five days ago, and I've just got the warning now, saying I have to isolate for five days. Or am I wrong about the 10 days.
Yes, it did, and yes, it's shit isn't it.
When my mate tested positive, and informed the app (and me), the day after we'd sat indoors at a table in a pub together (and told the app we were doing that) it took 48 hours before I was informed by the app.
I was outraged, but other people told me that was relatively prompt compared to their experiences, which were more like yours.
You're not wrong.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
That Oxford education was worth every penny, clearly.Get Covid and live longer
prunus
Tick tock.
The answer is, sadly, because it’s not fit for purpose, and is going to get worse as the numbers of infections increases over the next little while.
And yes it did cost billions.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
Ok, so technically if there are ten people dying age 20 and ten aged 100 then the median is 60. But if there are 11 age 20 and 10 age 80 then the median is 20.
In a large sample like the UK Covid deaths then median is fairly stable, but it's never a good idea to look at one statistic in isolation.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I hope Bezos gets bludgeoned to death by his irritated crew after repeatedly prefixing every noun with the the word ‘space’.
Bezos: can you please pass me the space biscuit on a space saucer?
Crew: AAAAAAAAARRRGHHHH!
Bezos: can you please pass me the space biscuit on a space saucer?
Crew: AAAAAAAAARRRGHHHH!
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Does all this indicate that everything the app does to ping people is reviewed by humans? I had assumed it was all automatic but these delays suggest not.
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
In December I got pinged on day 10 and had to self-isolate for 3 hours
In December I got pinged on day 10 and had to self-isolate for 3 hours
Where exactly did the billions go? Surely it can't be that difficult for the top brains in the industry to just make it text me as soon as she's entered her positive result? are they really manually checking everything?
the wetherspoons app is streets ahead of this, get those guys on it.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
around 2024/25 I expect there will be a Panorama expose about where the billions went
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Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
There's going to be some delay between you having contact with someone and them feeling ill, getting tested, getting a positive result and that result getting put on the system for the ping to go out.
Seems some delays are longer than others.
I'm currently on day 6 of self isolation after getting pinged last Thursday. Only took 2 days from the contact to me getting the message this time.
She didn't have symptoms. She went to a baby shower on the saturday, her friend texted her on Tuesday afternoon saying she had tested positive and to get her own PCR test. Which she did, got the positive result on Wednesday morning, entered it into the app immediately so I would have thought at that point the app would swing into action and ping all her close contacts.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
So the government now has ministers going on major news programmes saying you don't really need to isolate anyway, while putting out statements saying actually you do. While Johnson obviously thinks he shouldn't really.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I knew this, but it seems the government is pushing it out there, to reduce self isolating, and create more confusion, no doubt.
www.theguardian.com
UK Covid: 96 further coronavirus deaths recorded, highest daily total since March – as it happened
Latest updates: highest daily total for almost four months as total number of deaths over past week is up 60.6% on previous week
So the government now has ministers going on major news programmes saying you don't really need to isolate anyway, while putting out statements saying actually you do. While Johnson obviously thinks he shouldn't really.
Yeh I saw that gormless minister this morning. He'd obviously been briefed to highlight this. Again, whats the fucking point of this app.
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