Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[sheothebudworths]

So then - once again - if/when it goes wrong, it's all on you, irresponsible young people.

 

[wtfftw]

Why September for clubs though? When presumably any widespread infections have already been transmitted. I just don't see the logic.

Because that's when they'll be reintroducing restrictions anyway...

 

[Cat Fan]

It's a joke:

Covid vaccine certificates to be compulsory for crowded venues in England

Ministers hope move for venues such as nightclubs will boost vaccine uptake among young people

www.theguardian.com

Fucking unbelievable. End of September. Dickheads.

I'd like to see the cost benefit analysis - cost of paying furlough to nightclubs for 2 extra months vs. cost to NHS of thousands of additional infections

 

[elbows]

Why September for clubs though? When presumably any widespread infections have already been transmitted. I just don't see the logic.

Its because its being used to try get improve the rather feeble vaccination rates in younger adults, and they think that in order to make the threat fair, they have to allow time for those people to get two jabs.

Its also because schools go back in September so they will be looking for things they can claim compensate for that.

A lot of these plans and their timing are indeed especially absurd looking at the moment due to the ridiculous number of infections we currently have. Some of them were originally conceived with a different level of infection during the summer months in mind.

 

[Cat Fan]

Why September for clubs though? When presumably any widespread infections have already been transmitted. I just don't see the logic.

So all over 18s will have had the chance to be double vaccinated first

 

[two sheds]

So all over 18s will have had the chance to be double vaccinated first

But clubs are open before then? So double vaccination comes a bit bloody late?

 

[elbows]

So then - once again - if/when it goes wrong, it's all on you, irresponsible young people.

The concept will always come up because the pandemic is inherently linked to behaviour.

What rarely happens is a full on blame game of the sort people are always alert for here. Largely because (a) the government are told to encourage people and praise their efforts in order to increase compliance and (b) if peoples behaviour is inappropriate then the government ultimately get blamed anyway for sending the wrong signals, relaxing things, etc. So it does not work well as a buck passing exercise at all, the buck is simply set alight and passed straight back into the hands of the government.

 

[elbows]

But clubs are open before then? So double vaccination comes a bit bloody late?

Thats where immunity by other means comes in. The government have not demonstrated that they sincerely seek to minimise infection in younger people. They seek to fill in the gaps in the immunity picture in younger people by any means necessary, via vaccination and natural infection. 'hydrid immunity' as some were apparently happy to call it when briefing the press recently.

Why do they care about the immunity picture at all if they dont care about people getting infected now? They still care about the disruption from huge waves and the NHS pressure. They seek a future where the wave potential is moderated to some extent by the immunity picture.

 

[Spandex]

Bit confused by this superspreader event:


surely they must have been breaking the law by having all of those people in before midnight?

I read about Heaven reopening somewhere. It was a permitted sit down event until 23:50, then they cleared the tables and chairs off the dancefloor ready for the midnight superspreading. That explains why it's quite sparsely filled.

More shocking than the Covid convention held there is how fucking rubbish the reopening event looks. I used to go to Heaven bitd. This is the home of Rage and Megatripolis; proper 90s rave mayhem. Now look at it

 

[weltweit]

So apparently the plan is that people who have been double vaccinated will not be required to isolate if they have been in contact with an infected person but rather will need to do daily tests.

Perhaps I have been on another planet, but double vaccinated people can still become infected and can still transmit the virus to others. So why are they not being asked to isolate like anyone else who comes into contact with an infected person?

Because of staffing pressures.

Is it only for the NHS then?

 

[quimcunx]

It's a joke:

Covid vaccine certificates to be compulsory for crowded venues in England

Ministers hope move for venues such as nightclubs will boost vaccine uptake among young people

www.theguardian.com

Fucking unbelievable. End of September. Dickheads.

Possibly because most clubbers cant be double be vaccinated until then.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Because that's when they'll be reintroducing restrictions anyway...

Or ease the restrictions too soon again

 

[Espresso]

If they're bringing in vaccine passports for night clubs, then theatres and gig venues and all sorts of other inside places where you go for a few hours will have to go the same way.

 

[Orang Utan]

I read about Heaven reopening somewhere. It was a permitted sit down event until 23:50, then they cleared the tables and chairs off the dancefloor ready for the midnight superspreading. That explains why it's quite sparsely filled.

More shocking than the Covid convention held there is how fucking rubbish the reopening event looks. I used to go to Heaven bitd. This is the home of Rage and Megatripolis; proper 90s rave mayhem. Now look at it

doesn’t look sparsely filled to me

 

[Smangus]

We are officially being governed by the Keystone Cops.

 

[Smangus]

Cue illegal vax free raves etc.

 

[elbows]

Is it only for the NHS then?

I already linked to the detail earlier.

Frontline health and care staff can work rather than self-isolate

 

[Spandex]

doesn’t look sparsely filled to me

When the camera pans back there's loads of room on the dancefloor. People have room to dance. Seen it much busier.

I'd love to go out dancing, but not enough to catch Covid.

Max capacity at Heaven is about 1000. With over 1 person in 100 having Covid at the moment, probably higher amongst youngsters, it's almost guaranteed that there'll be a few people there with it

 

[bimble]

i'm sucking all the positive feelings i can get out of the fact that around here - and apparently in lots of other places too - the vast majority are just totally ignoring the ridiculous Prime Minister:
People were wearing their masks before today not because it was 'the law' but because they felt it the right thing to do, and they're wearing them now for the same reason.
Just like how even if bashing old ladies over the head to steal their handbags was suddenly not illegal i'd still not be much tempted. Heartening stuff.

 

[Orang Utan]

When the camera pans back there's loads of room on the dancefloor. People have room to dance. Seen it much busier.

I'd love to go out dancing, but not enough to catch Covid.

Max capacity at Heaven is about 1000. With over 1 person in 100 having Covid at the moment, probably higher amongst youngsters, it's almost guaranteed that there'll be a few people there with it

i’ve been there loads but it still seemed packed to me. at least the people there were jammed up next to each other with little dancing room.
never liked overstuffed dancefloors even before this, mind

 

[elbows]

Lloyd Webber gets a bit more of what he deserves.

Cinderella: Andrew Lloyd Webber says theatre is on its knees due to Covid rules

The first two nights of his new West End show are cancelled due to Covid-19 self-isolation measures.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[LDC]

Lloyd Webber gets a bit more of what he deserves.

Cinderella: Andrew Lloyd Webber says theatre is on its knees due to Covid rules

The first two nights of his new West End show are cancelled due to Covid-19 self-isolation measures.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yeah, I just saw that. Oh how I laughed. He's such a cunt.

 

[platinumsage]

Yeah fuck the whole theatre industry, bunch of cunts, and the Equity union, cunts.

 

[elbows]

Yeah fuck the whole theatre industry, bunch of cunts, and the Equity union, cunts.

Fuck the hospitalisations, long covid and deaths from this virus. Pay money to covid-spreading industries so they can stay shut until it is actually safer to reopen than is currently the case.

Never will I apologise for laughing when a disgusting threat to public health like Lloyd Webber gets his just deserts in this pandemic. He was effectively calling for policies that mean death for some, so fuck him.

 

[editor]

Absolutely world beating

 

[LDC]

Yeah fuck the whole theatre industry, bunch of cunts, and the Equity union, cunts.

Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Webber was one of the 'open it all up' pretty much all the way through the last year or so, and has consistently moaned about any restrictions at all, so like I said, fuck him being 'heart broken'. And yes, tbh, what Equity are calling for is fucking irresponsible. In a global pandemic with over 4 million dead so far we should probably listen to scientists before Equity don't you think?

 

[cupid_stunt]

This is a week behind, but we're not the only ones in trouble.

 

[miss direct]

How I wish I could trust the figures coming out of Turkey. They currently have a 9 day national holiday (eid), minimal restrictions and the resorts are full of unvaccinated Russians and Ukrainians.

 

[elbows]

Absolutely world beating

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Careful, Johnson might be tempted to use that graph to demonstrate how we are leading the world into a new era.

"We have signed a trade deal to export Delta to the world in never before seen quantities, Johnson boasted. Britannia rues the Covid waves, we will level the world up. In the global pie of commerce, we slurp the gravy, we make the crust. And thanks to vaccinations you dont even need to wear the foil tray on your head in order to receive important messages from brain commandant Cummings".

 

[platinumsage]

Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Webber was one of the 'open it all up' pretty much all the way through the last year or so, and has consistently moaned about any restrictions at all, so like I said, fuck him being 'heart broken'. And yes, tbh, what Equity are calling for is fucking irresponsible. In a global pandemic with over 4 million dead so far we should probably listen to scientists before Equity don't you think?

What Equity is asking for is entirely reasonable given we had the fucking Euro championships and have opened up nightclubs. Suggesting that theatre performers ought to be able to form a bubble or take daily tests instead of cancelling their work for the foreseeable is not irresponsible.