redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Thanks for that really interesting and good thread. (Just a shame it was not on a better medium that twitter)
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Thanks for that really interesting and good thread. (Just a shame it was not on a better medium that twitter)
andysays
Love and solidarity
While it's understandable that you're focusing on it from a personal individual risk point of view, the more important thing is the overall transmission rates.I just read this, its another 'scientists beg people to keep wearing masks' piece.
must admit that this, to me, looks pretty crappy:
"This point was backed by Paul Hunter, professor of medicine at the University of East Anglia. “Most studies are observational and prone to all sorts of biases, but taken together there is a consistent finding towards face coverings having benefit both in protecting others if the wearer is infected and also to protect the wearer from others,” he told the Observer. “Estimates vary but they probably reduce transmission somewhere between 10 and 25%."
10-25% reduction thats it? So if i'm sat next to a covid person and we both have masks on i only have perhaps a 90% change of catching it instead of 100? that is pretty marginal.
I think what those numbers mean is that if everyone wears a mask in situations where it's appropriate, overall transmission rates are reduced by between 10 and 25%.
Another way of looking at it is that if no one wears a mask, transmission rates will be significantly higher than if they did.
editor
hiraethified
Storm Fox
Trying the find the next noun to verb
Go easy on Johnson, he can't even count the number of his own children, we can't expect him to understand exponential growth.
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
Of course not. It is one measure amongst many that can help. It is also a particularly easy one for us all to do.
Of course masks are "not magic" but they are one layer of defence. The more layers the better, the harder it is for the virus to get through, as explained here:
Covid-19: Vaccines alone will not stop Covid spreading - here's why - BBC News
Covid-19: Vaccines alone will not stop Covid spreading - here's why - BBC News
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
Johnson & Sunak have both been contacted by test & trace.
However, they will not be isolating.
'Important everybody sticks to same rules': PM makes U-turn on isolation and urges caution on eve of unlocking
Downing Street had said Mr Johnson and Mr Sunak will be taking in a pilot scheme whereby they will be tested daily and so do not have to quarantine - but that plan has now been scrapped.news.sky.com
They clearly didn't like how the media reacted, U-turn 101 -
Everyone knows that already. Just gets a bit boring is all. From both sides. Well all sides.
e2a
Referring to the masks discussion. There's never going to be near 100% proper usage of good masks. Most people I still believe will make an effort and cover their face in certain situations but the charts are ireleveant to real world day to day situatoins. Those outside of medical estlishments, closed gatekept environments. I just think it's a waste of mental energy and another thing to thrett about.
e2a
Referring to the masks discussion. There's never going to be near 100% proper usage of good masks. Most people I still believe will make an effort and cover their face in certain situations but the charts are ireleveant to real world day to day situatoins. Those outside of medical estlishments, closed gatekept environments. I just think it's a waste of mental energy and another thing to thrett about.
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and just state outright that most people who don't wear mask after tomorrow will not have looked into the relevant research on their effectiveness in any great detail, or indeed at all.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
The very fact they took so long to figure out not isolating would be seen as a huge pisstake tells you everything about them. Morals led by poll numbers. Hate them, hate them.They clearly didn't like how the media reacted, U-turn 101 -
little_legs
Поехали!
It's already been announced that from August 16th double vaccinated people won't need to self isolate, exactly what are they 'piloting'? A 'one rule for us'?Johnson & Sunak have both been contacted by test & trace.
However, they will not be isolating.
'Important everybody sticks to same rules': PM makes U-turn on isolation and urges caution on eve of unlocking
Downing Street had said Mr Johnson and Mr Sunak will be taking in a pilot scheme whereby they will be tested daily and so do not have to quarantine - but that plan has now been scrapped.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
So Freedom Day comes with the PM, the Chancellor, and the Health Sec isolating due to Covid. How they can seriously even contemplate throwing open the doors to everything without laughing or cringing is beyond me.
This "Churchillian" speech Johnson was planning has been shelved, too, as it was seen as not appropriate. Er, never was, mate
This "Churchillian" speech Johnson was planning has been shelved, too, as it was seen as not appropriate. Er, never was, mate
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
I haven't felt this anxious about corona for ages, even though I'm double jabbed and on holiday til mid-August.
Lurdan
old wave
Well, some days ago somebody used threadreaderapp to archive that thread in the form of a web page here. And since such pages will vanish if the tweets are deleted, somebody else then archived it, using the Archive Today service at archive.vn, to back it up as a web page here.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
Usually working in small crowded badly ventilated venues I normally get 2 or 3 "cold" in the autumn and in the spring, nothing this past year and a bit due to not having worked.
Next job is Friday, I hope my FFP2 wil have arrived by then.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Yeah, I was going to add something along those lines, but the mathematical detail was beyond me, especially on a Sunday
elbows
Well-Known Member
They clearly didn't like how the media reacted, U-turn 101 -
No surprise that they tested positive on the literal u-turn test.
They probably made their original decision on the basis that Gove got away with that approach. But there is a difference between getting away with it in slightly calmer times for the virus, and doing so when the media have been going nuts about half a million people being told to self-isolate by the app in a single week.
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elbows
Well-Known Member
Can I just take opportunity number 1,567,543 to say what an absolute cunt Blair is.
Also contains u-turn stats:
Covid-19: PM and chancellor self-isolate after rapid U-turn
It comes after anger over "VIP testing" allowing them to work following Sajid Javid's positive test.
www.bbc.co.uk
Also contains u-turn stats:
ska invita
back on the other side
My understanding is UK is uniquely terrible in terms of cases because of delta variant in combo with already very loose restrictions.
I don't think delta has taken off on the continent yet as it has here. It may well do soon.
That's my understanding, happy to be corrected
ska invita
back on the other side
Johnson can sit in a hot office on zoom all week like much of the rest of the countryCan I just take opportunity number 1,567,543 to say what an absolute cunt Blair is.
Covid-19: PM and chancellor self-isolate after rapid U-turn
It comes after anger over "VIP testing" allowing them to work following Sajid Javid's positive test.www.bbc.co.uk
Also contains u-turn stats:
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
88.6% of COVID-19 cases here are Delta
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
He doesn't do his job wherever he's sitting anyway.
elbows
Well-Known Member
There is a risk that if he performs his duties via zoom, he might leave mute on when shouting about letting the bodies pile higher.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
might keep him from trying to cheat on his missus for a few days
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