Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[elbows]

I'd be interested to see if it's the true peak or just a false dawn, given what the infection numbers are supposedly saying.

I dont know what numbers you are referring to exactly - which numbers contradict the peak seen in other Scottish data?

Feel free not to answer this as my brain is melting in the heat and I've probably misconstrued what you are saying anyway.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'd be interested to see if it's the true peak or just a false dawn, given what the infection numbers are supposedly saying.

For too many people it's a widow's peak

 

[Cat Fan]

I dont know what numbers you are referring to exactly - which numbers contradict the peak seen in other Scottish data?

Feel free not to answer this as my brain is melting in the heat and I've probably misconstrued what you are saying anyway.

What you said in 40472 that it's not completely clear cut. Unless you changed your mind since then.

 

[elbows]

By the way I'm not a big fan of Scotlands offical dashboard, I tend to use this one instead:

Scotland Coronavirus Tracker

Current and historical data of the Coronavirus outbreak in Scotland. Includes breakdowns by region, maps, charts, and more!

www.travellingtabby.com

In particular their 7 day case rates by age group.

 

[elbows]

What you said in 40472 that it's not completely clear cut. Unless you changed your mind since then.

My overall impression has been that Scotland probably did peak when the peak first showed up in their basic case data. But that I couldnt be too confident about it till more time passed and hospitalisation data demonstrated the same thing.

Certainly the wording on one document about their wastewaster testing made me less certain, but then the other document that 2hats pointed me towards went into more detail which implied peaks probably starting to be seen in that data too, but still a little early to have really high confidence about that.

 

[elbows]

Plus lengths of plateaus in older age groups in the Scottish data have implications for hospital admission rates over time.

 

[Cat Fan]

Opening up could lead to a rise in cases again. But hopefully not and that's the worst of it.

 

[elbows]

For England I'm copying what some people have done on twitter and have now set up my spreadsheet so that I can track changes in growth rate of cases in different age groups in England. I'll probably post a graph once we are beyond weekend related drops in figures.

Rates of growth had been falling for a while, but still in the territory of growth rather than decline, but more recently they stopped falling and went higher again, most notably in the 15-29 age group.

These rates determine the length of the doubling time, and will also offer another way to spot the plateau.

 

[elbows]

This is the sort of thing I mean, expcet I'll be lumping mine together into larger age groups so I can stick the entire range of ages on one graph without a big mess.

 

[glitch hiker]

I can't run the app, my phone isn't smart enough.

I still can't quite believe what is happening tomorrow. The more I think about it the more my stress increases. Javid talked about mental health as one of his reasons for lifting restrictions, yet we all know that the opposite will be true for a great many. Myself included.

I have to believe - or hope at least - they'll relent soon. I'm dreading visiting the shops. THey already had a scare earlier this year, one of the local shops had to close for a fortnight. It spread to another shop which scraped by on skeleton staff. This could now lead to a situation where shops, supermarkets, are forced to close. It is utter fucking insanity.

I can only hope they will enforce and demand mask wearing at the very least.

 

[miss direct]

Have to say I am quite glad that I managed to get a hair cut in and have plenty of food in. The local Lidl is open till 10pm so going in the evening seems like a good bet to avoid crowds.

 

[glitch hiker]

Have to say I am quite glad that I managed to get a hair cut in and have plenty of food in. The local Lidl is open till 10pm so going in the evening seems like a good bet to avoid crowds.

I go do my shopping around 7 30 am at the local texpress. A habit I picked up during this crisis. It's usually quiet, except for all the blokey bloke builder types who don't wear masks when picking up their snacks. There's a housing development just down the road so...

 

[zora]

It's come to quite something when you find yourself opening the email from Tesco's CEO with a fluttering of hope in your heart to find some moral guidance for the nation in a time of crisis...[me, just now]

 

[Storm Fox]

It's come to quite something when you find yourself opening the email from Tesco's CEO with a fluttering of hope in your heart to find some moral guidance for the nation in a time of crisis...[me, just now]

This seems to be similar to the start where companies are running policies the govt should be.
The company I work for was contracting at a large multinational as the situation evolved it went from: Not no from high risk countries were allow to in building, then restricted to everyone staying at their own sites, to essential and critical staff, finally just critical staff who where needed to keep things from failing. This was done before the official lockdown.

The same seems to be happening again now, but with the added problem of anti-mask nutjobs kicking off.

 

[Cat Fan]

It's come to quite something when you find yourself opening the email from Tesco's CEO with a fluttering of hope in your heart to find some moral guidance for the nation in a time of crisis...[me, just now]

They're a business, so they are doing what they think will get the most people to shop at Tesco.

If their customer research said the vast majority of people wanted to drop the mask wearing requirement in their shops, then you can bet they would drop it.

I suspect it (quite sensibly) says the opposite right now.

 

[Steel Icarus]

eta: what I don't do is delete it. There's no point. If it pings you and you delete it then it will ping you again if you re-install it. It's not legally mandatory for you to obey it if it pings.

I think it is

 

[BillRiver]

They're a business, so they are doing what they think will get the most people to shop at Tesco.

If their customer research said the vast majority of people wanted to drop the mask wearing requirement in their shops, then you can bet they would drop it.

I suspect it (quite sensibly) says the opposite right now.

That's what pleased me about the email I got from Tesco's today. Not that I think it says anything new about Tesco's, it doesn't, but what it says about public opinion.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I think it is

it's not

I was pinged by it a while back and made very sure of that, though self-isolated anyway, on the basis that I'd installed the damn thing so should damn well take the consequences

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I feel terribly depressed by this, now the day has arrived. I'm in disbelief actually. I'm struggling to believe that we're governed by this level of lying incompetence and that whole swathes of the population just lap this shit up.

As I write this I know of two clubs in the city I live in that are open right now til 6 with a full roster of DJs and lots of tickets sold. That's being repeated across the country. I just can't believe it's happening. I've never felt as flabbergasted about any government policy before, angry yes but never like this. I feel numb. I know I'm not alone in feeling this but I feel very alone at the moment.

Good luck out there.

 

[Sue]

FWIW, everyone I known is planning to continue with face masks and social distancing. But we're lucky people who can continue to work from home.

 

[BillRiver]

I feel terribly depressed by this, now the day has arrived. I'm in disbelief actually. I'm struggling to believe that we're governed by this level of lying incompetence and that whole swathes of the population just lap this shit up.

As I write this I know of two clubs in the city I live in that are open right now til 6 with a full roster of DJs and lots of tickets sold. That's being repeated across the country. I just can't believe it's happening. I've never felt as flabbergasted about any government policy before, angry yes but never like this. I feel numb. I know I'm not alone in feeling this but I feel very alone at the moment.

Good luck out there.

Same here.

Solidarity.

 

[Artaxerxes]

 

[ElizabethofYork]

FWIW, everyone I known is planning to continue with face masks and social distancing. But we're lucky people who can continue to work from home.

I feel very lucky that I can continue to work from home.

 

[bimble]

when did google maps add covid data ? maybe its been there a while but i never noticed. Just went to look up directions to somewhere and it pops up top left corner, you click on it and it colour codes the world by new cases per 100,000 in the past week. Zoom right out and you get this .
Happy freedom day everyone

 

[Steel Icarus]

it's not

I was pinged by it a while back and made very sure of that, though self-isolated anyway, on the basis that I'd installed the damn thing so should damn well take the consequences

Did I misread this, then?

 

[existentialist]

Did I misread this, then?

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Remember that the rules in Wales are different...

 

[Espresso]

I was in Sainsbury's this morning at 7, which is when it opens. I usually go at that time because it's quiet. Everyone in there was masked up, the signs saying to wear a mask were still there, as well as the hand sanitising stations. The one difference I noticed was that there was no one clocking you in and out and the chicane to get in had been done away with.

I suppose it's no surprise that everyone who was there at that time was masked up, because to go in so early probably means you're quite risk averse to start with.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The app pinging you does not count as being contacted by Test & Trace, which is what the law is based on (and to what the above paragraph seems to refer).

 

[souljacker]

I'm on the train to Paddington and there is full mask compliance as far as I can see, even though the 'wear a mask" signs have all gone. I suspect the tube will be different though

It's a lot busier than it has been but still nowhere near the madness of pre-covid times.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Can't wait for photo after photo of maskless people in confined spaces today