bimble
floofy
Spell it out for me. You think we have more availability of tests due to more capitalism, and that’s why we have more cases ?
When did other European countries put India on the red list?
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When did other European countries put India on the red list?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
"Vaccine refusers" is the new "people going to the park in groups of over six people". It's a story meant to take blame away from shit government policy. Vaccine turnout is very high, actually unusually high in the UK.
bimble
floofy
This actually helps with understanding what’s going on & the health secretary’s video today. He talked as if the only people unjabbed have chosen to refuse it, happy freedom day , best vaccine rollout in the world. Not a word about the people waiting for their 1st or 2nd jabs.
OK so imagine your a virus, might be difficult or not. You really think public health measures in France are so staggingly effective that when you hit blighty you break out like acne on a teenager with a liking for fried chicken?
Yossarian
⏭️
Walking it like he talks it with the "100% COVID" strategy.
bimble
floofy
I don’t think you understand what’s gone on here at all. You really think we have no more of a problem than anyone else we just have more tests.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
He's a Randian. Under that philosophy everything is down to individual choice and merit, there are no other mechanisms within the world apart from governments not letting people express their individual choice and merit (always bad). Everything is always your fault if you are poor, or the government's fault if you are rich.
OK for the sake of spelling it out my initial post referring to the graph showing infection rates way higher than other European countries is bulshit. We test more that's it. I've freinds in Paris and Barcelona and they are being hit with loads of infections. We simply test more. I suggest that's because the tests are funded better because of the political state of our union. Do you
Disagree? If so why?
bimble
floofy
i think the onus is on you. you're the one making a wild claim.
Your infected friends over there in the less capitalist countries how did they manage to get tested was it hard?
We have more cases because we are the number one place where the delta variant first got imported so we have a head start on this fun new wave thats all.
Supine
Newt Member
To win that argument you need to present % positivity results for each country
elbows
Well-Known Member
You've got this all wrong, there is a bit of the logic in there that has sometimes applied in the past but its a really poor fit with what the data actually looks like in these countries at the moment.
France and Spain had no trouble posting similar rates of positive cases as the UK during the peak of previous waves.
Wave timing variations are all thats required to explain what you think you are seeing in data. Your views on the data are out of date too, since Spains numbers have been shooting up, whereas in France the wave timing is still a little further behind.
People getting very fucking rich of our sweat.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
I believe France is in beta testing at the moment
bimble
floofy
do you still think 'we test more that's it'? seriously.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
Scare tactics. Be afraid
No I'm making an argument for
Yea I am
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
They started telling young people off for not getting the jab in like February/March when it was still a long long way off reaching them
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Storm Fox
Trying the find the next noun to verb
There seems to be be some real inequity in the provision of vaccine. I (45-50) and Mrs Fox (40-45) both had our 2nd jabs on the 1st July. We both received emails saying we could bring our original jabs dates forward.
Interesting premise.
Seems to me that keeping or rolling back restrictions would have been a better incentive for people to get jabbed than to let everything rip. Now people aren't going to care because everything's open and so fucking what innit.
I think the tension building for next week is palpable. It's an almost tangible thing. My prediction: back under restrictions, possibly lockdown, in two weeks. I just cannot see even Boris the Spider keeping this up. It's the most stupid standoff ever.
I think the tension building for next week is palpable. It's an almost tangible thing. My prediction: back under restrictions, possibly lockdown, in two weeks. I just cannot see even Boris the Spider keeping this up. It's the most stupid standoff ever.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I was watching some 20 year olds out and about in the heat - prominently wearing masks away from shops.
Just lately I was getting to see the unvaccinated young and their parents as being hazardous to the health of my generation - as they were in my old workplace, but in light of the delay in vaccination - but now I see that careless middle-aged people are just as much a threat to them ...
Just lately I was getting to see the unvaccinated young and their parents as being hazardous to the health of my generation - as they were in my old workplace, but in light of the delay in vaccination - but now I see that careless middle-aged people are just as much a threat to them ...
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
No, it doesn't. It really, really doesn't.
You need to form a hypothesis first not just pick out random correlations with no logic behind them.
In this instance as you point out there are many potential variables that can confound a comparison between Tory and Labour voters. Age being one of them. It's not possible to draw the conclusion that "Labour voters are less likely to be vaccinated" without at least attempting to control for those factors.
If you still don't believe me I suggest you do some reading
Source:
Correlation does not imply causation - Wikipedia
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
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