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It's like arguing that scientists don't even know whether this mysterious new virus from Wuhan can be transmitted between people.
I follow @badvaccinetakes on twitter. Some of the denialists are crazy as bat shit
It's like arguing that scientists don't even know whether this mysterious new virus from Wuhan can be transmitted between people.
This is simply untrue. Until we decided to copy China the advise was masks don't work:
The only gold standard RCT Danmask-19 concluded since these quotes found outcomes between those wearing masks and those not was ‘not statistically significant’. So you can keep insisting masks work and I can keep saying they don't but to say the argument they work is won is simply wrong.
- World Health Organisation: ‘There is currently no evidence that wearing a mask (whether medical or other types) by healthy persons in the wider community setting, including universal community masking, can protect them from infection with respiratory viruses, including Covid-19.’
- Mike Ryan a director at WHO: ‘There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit. In fact, there’s some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly.’
- Chris Whitty: ‘In terms of wearing a mask, our advice is clear: that wearing a mask if you don’t have an infection reduces the risk almost not at all . So we do not advise that.’
You are deludedThis is simply untrue. Until we decided to copy China the advise was masks don't work:
The message about vulnerable people staying at home is just a cop-out (obviously).
He's banned from posting on this thread. And since he's only really interested in vomiting his garbage onto Urban, and spectacularly uninterested in listening to what anyone else has to say, I shouldn't imagine he'll be reading your words...You are deluded
Question: This plan to get cases up to 100,000 a day - is there a projection made public for when cases will fall?
they must have projections because they've said this is the "sweet spot" to stop restrictions
they must have projections because they've said they expect cases to go over 100,000 a day
id like to see what this curve looks like
they must have projections because they've said this is the "sweet spot" to stop restrictions
they must have projections because they've said they expect cases to go over 100,000 a day
id like to see what this curve looks like
yes it looks like thats the planAbsent any meaningful restrictions, cases go down when there's nobody left to infect and not before.
yes it looks like thats the plan
id like to see their calculation for when that will be
that looks like a shorter wave than i imagined/wouldve expectedAnd the simplified BBC version of a couple of model outputs looks like this. It covers daily hospitalisations but you can imagine the number of cases peaking just a little sooner than the hospitalisations.
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From articles such as Covid: Will 19 July unlocking gamble pay off or backfire?
Personally I am hoping for an earlier peak than most of the modelling shows these days.
They have a complex and ugly agenda for the health service but I think a lot of their piss poor pandemic policy motives at the moment are driven by other things. A lot of petty party politics for a start.Sure other people have said this but I'm sure people are dying and suffering unnecessary pain because the government has decided that the way to smash the health service is simply to undermine efforts to prevent transmission of the virus, betting that the lower death rate now won't be noticed by people. And the knock-on effect on waiting lists will make force a ton of people to go private. The doctors and academics protesting this are trying to be reasonable with people who are unreasonable.
Other shapes and timings are available but you'll probably have to trudge through all the papers I linked to a little earlier to find them.that looks like a shorter wave than i imagined/wouldve expected
Important to know, thanks.Early in the pandemic I seem to recall the authorities doing the usual 'no evidence of greater risk in...' thing in regards pregnant women and covid, which I may have been happy to report on early on.
Unfortunately that is no longer considered to be the case and so the current disgraceful situation with letting case numbers go crazy means we also get stories like this:
Covid unlocking risk for pregnant women, say doctors
Doctors and midwives warn Covid can pose a greater risk to women in the later stages of pregnancy.www.bbc.co.uk
You are seriously saying the removal of restrictions is happening now because it's part of the government's cunning plan to destroy the NHS? Bonkers.Sure other people have said this but I'm sure people are dying and suffering unnecessary pain because the government has decided that the way to smash the health service is simply to undermine efforts to prevent transmission of the virus, betting that the lower death rate now won't be noticed by people. And the knock-on effect on waiting lists will make force a ton of people to go private. The doctors and academics protesting this are trying to be reasonable with people who are unreasonable.
Eighteen months ago, I'd have agreed with you, bimble. Now, I'm not so sure.You are seriously saying the removal of restrictions is happening now because it's part of the government's cunning plan to destroy the NHS? Bonkers.
I hope that you're right, and I'm wrong. Right now, though, it feels to me as if no interpretation of the motives of this nefandous (thanks, Pickman's model ) shower of shit could ever be too cynical.i think this is stupid. There's no need to look for such machinations, they're not even that rational as to be doing it to make money.
What's bonkers is the way you make up what other people are saying. I am saying that people are dying and suffering unnecessarily because of the choices the government has made. That's well known, it shouldn't be controversial. There are people not getting diagnoses or treatment and waiting lists are at record highs.You are seriously saying the removal of restrictions is happening now because it's part of the government's cunning plan to destroy the NHS? Bonkers.