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Mrs Miggins said:
I just find all this arguing so exhausting now :(
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If it makes you feel any better there isn't actually an argument about masks anymore - it was won last year. The results are in, and they do help reduce infections.

What there is is a very small number of people with broken minds shouting very loudly that they don't work, and it's easy to mistake that for an argument.
 
killer b said:
If it makes you feel any better there isn't actually an argument about masks anymore - it was won last year. The results are in, and they do help reduce infections.

What there is is a very small number of people with broken minds shouting very loudly that they don't work, and it's easy to mistake that for an argument.
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That's what I mean though. The constant noise from The Special Ones who just will not stop seeing all this as a personal attack on their freedom. It's just exhausting and I am absolutely sick of it.
 
Mrs Miggins said:
That's what I mean though. The constant noise from The Special Ones who just will not stop seeing all this as a personal attack on their freedom. It's just exhausting and I am absolutely sick of it.
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Is it constant? I don't actually see very much of it since I stopped arguing with them on facebook and the algorithm stopped showing them to me... just this retro dude here atm.
 
Mrs Miggins said:
That's what I mean though. The constant noise from The Special Ones who just will not stop seeing all this as a personal attack on their freedom. It's just exhausting and I am absolutely sick of it.
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Not to mention acting like the rest of us must enjoy the restrictions, as if we haven't also got families, friends, jobs and social lives that have been affected by all this. One of my Twitter followers was saying yesterday if he sees anyone wearing a mask after 19th July, he'll personally rip it off their face (assault). And that he hates anyone wearing masks outside because he sees it as virtue signalling and thinks they're judging him (judgmental in and of itself). I've unfollowed and blocked him, I'm sick of that shite popping up in my mentions.

Also, I've always considered myself a fairly strong-minded person and, although not anti-authority for the sake of it, I've never been afraid to challenge authority if I think they're wrong. So I resent people like that making me out to be a "sheep" or a "bedwetter" for trying to be considerate of my fellow human beings.
 
killer b said:
Is it constant? I don't actually see very much of it since I stopped arguing with them on facebook and the algorithm stopped showing them to me... just this retro dude here atm.
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I still constantly see stickers with worse arguments about masks than you see even on the internet. However I'm still just sane enough to recognise that standing in the street and arguing with a sticker is a bad look.
 
LeytonCatLady said:
Not to mention acting like the rest of us must enjoy the restrictions, as if we haven't also got families, friends, jobs and social lives that have been affected by all this. One of my Twitter followers was saying yesterday if he sees anyone wearing a mask after 19th July, he'll personally rip it off their face (assault). And that he hates anyone wearing masks outside because he sees it as virtue signalling and thinks they're judging him (judgmental in and of itself). I've unfollowed and blocked him, I'm sick of that shite popping up in my mentions.

Also, I've always considered myself a fairly strong-minded person and, although not anti-authority for the sake of it, I've never been afraid to challenge authority if I think they're wrong. So I resent people like that making me out to be a "sheep" or a "bedwetter" for trying to be considerate of my fellow human beings.
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I'm happy to ignore the namecalling...but I would definitely react to someone reaching out to pull my mask from my face as a potential attack. I'm sure it's going to happen, and I fervently hope that it happens to at least a few people who are willing and capable of responding proportionately, ie., with a swift punch to the face.
 
existentialist said:
I'm happy to ignore the namecalling...but I would definitely react to someone reaching out to pull my mask from my face as a potential attack. I'm sure it's going to happen, and I fervently hope that it happens to at least a few people who are willing and capable of responding proportionately, ie., with a swift punch to the face.
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I made a bloke's nose bleed a couple of years ago when he groped my tit as I walked past. Happy to do it again if necessary.
 
gentlegreen said:
There are at least two maskless workmen in the house opposite having to squeeze in and out past the woman's oxygen tank - perhaps she's fully masked-up .. :(
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So selfish. This is the thing, someone could be super-careful and even isolating but then (maybe because of their vulnerability) needs someone to come out to bring them something or instal something, and because they can't be bothered, that's it - put at risk despite their best efforts. 🙁 Wish people would stopbeing so damn selfish.
 
Orang Utan said:
i’m sick with worry about the 19th tbh - mainly about dealing with arsehole customers
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Yes I'm worried about anyone in a public-facing job. Teachers and school staff have already had their 'freedom day' moment of suddenly having to work with loads of maskless people, and I definitely didn't enjoy that. But at least in a school if people give you shit you can give them detention. The so-called adults out there in the wild, they need fear no such reprimand.

In the event of customers being aresholes, I would recommend a similar tactic to one that generally works with petulent children; do not give them an emotional response. Pick your line, know it well, and don't budge from it. If you have to say the exact same thing in the same tone of voice ten times, do so. As soon as they're out of earshot you can rant and rave and curse, just don't let them see it.
 
Dystopiary said:
So selfish. This is the thing, someone could be super-careful and even isolating but then (maybe because of their vulnerability) needs someone to come out to bring them something or instal something, and because they can't be bothered, that's it - put at risk despite their best efforts. 🙁 Wish people would stopbeing so damn selfish.
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Also, the black and white thinking pisses me off. Like when the anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers go "But...but...99% survival rate!" I know I'm preaching to the converted here, but with Covid it's not just a case of you either die or you're completely better after a week. I'm sure loads of people are, but they're ignoring long Covid which can also affect previously healthy people. I'm in excellent health and have never been ill other than minor colds and sniffles once or twice a year, and were I to catch the corona, then yes, chances are I'd be fine after a week sleeping it off. But I also might not be, and as I sing for a living, I really don't want to risk any lung damage, thanksverymuch.
 
Someone could easily rip off my mask the way I am these days, although they'd surely realise it would be an extremely bad look, plus I think (I hope!) someone would intervene.
 
SpookyFrank said:
Yes I'm worried about anyone in a public-facing job. Teachers and school staff have already had their 'freedom day' moment of suddenly having to work with loads of maskless people, and I definitely didn't enjoy that. But at least in a school if people give you shit you can give them detention. The so-called adults out there in the wild, they need fear no such reprimand.

In the event of customers being aresholes, I would recommend a similar tactic to one that generally works with petulent children; do not give them an emotional response. Pick your line, know it well, and don't budge from it. If you have to say the exact same thing in the same tone of voice ten times, do so. As soon as they're out of earshot you can rant and rave and curse, just don't let them see it.
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TBF, the mask helps with that :)
 
Dystopiary said:
Someone could easily rip off my mask the way I am these days, although they'd surely realise it would be an extremely bad look, plus I think (I hope!) someone would intervene.
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Oh, I'm sure loads of people would. Luckily though, I think people like that like to talk all hard online but probably wouldn't dream of carrying out the threat if they really did meet you! All mouth and no trousers.
 
LeytonCatLady said:
Oh, I'm sure loads of people would. Luckily though, I think people like that like to talk all hard online but probably wouldn't dream of carrying out the threat if they really did meet you! All mouth and no trousers.
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Yeah, I think there's going to be a lot of "face nappy" catcalls from a safe distance. Depending on how grumpy I'm feeling, I might still engage with that...
 
killer b said:
If it makes you feel any better there isn't actually an argument about masks anymore - it was won last year. The results are in, and they do help reduce infections.

What there is is a very small number of people with broken minds shouting very loudly that they don't work, and it's easy to mistake that for an argument.
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This is simply untrue. Until we decided to copy China the advise was masks don't work:
  • World Health Organisation: ‘There is currently no evidence that wearing a mask (whether medical or other types) by healthy persons in the wider community setting, including universal community masking, can protect them from infection with respiratory viruses, including Covid-19.’
  • Mike Ryan a director at WHO: ‘There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit. In fact, there’s some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly.’
  • Chris Whitty: ‘In terms of wearing a mask, our advice is clear: that wearing a mask if you don’t have an infection reduces the risk almost not at all . So we do not advise that.’
The only gold standard RCT Danmask-19 concluded since these quotes found outcomes between those wearing masks and those not was ‘not statistically significant’. So you can keep insisting masks work and I can keep saying they don't but to say the argument they work is won is simply wrong.
 
Mr Retro said:
This is simply untrue. Until we decided to copy China the advise was masks don't work:
  • World Health Organisation: ‘There is currently no evidence that wearing a mask (whether medical or other types) by healthy persons in the wider community setting, including universal community masking, can protect them from infection with respiratory viruses, including Covid-19.’
  • Mike Ryan a director at WHO: ‘There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit. In fact, there’s some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly.’
  • Chris Whitty: ‘In terms of wearing a mask, our advice is clear: that wearing a mask if you don’t have an infection reduces the risk almost not at all . So we do not advise that.’
The only gold standard RCT Danmask-19 concluded since these quotes found outcomes between those wearing masks and those not was ‘not statistically significant’. So you can keep insisting masks work and I can keep saying they don't but to say the argument they work is won is simply wrong.
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I'm not interested, weirdo.
 
Mrs Miggins said:
I'm afraid I live with someone who "questions everything"
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I think that's the difference between healthy scepticism and being a rabid conspiraloon. It's true we shouldn't believe everything politicians or the papers say, but to automatically dismiss it just because it comes from that source is just as bad as blind faith. I used to work with someone like that. Like one day I mentioned a local story I'd read in the Hackney Gazette to do with a minor traffic accident, which nobody would've had any need to exaggerate. She responded contemptuously "No CatLady, that's just what the papers wanted you to think!"

Another time, I saw a picture of my ex in the Newham Recorder, who'd gone to prison for assaulting his pregnant girlfriend. I was shocked and said "Bloody hell, I used to go out with him! Talk about a lucky escape". Her response was "You don't know how she might have provoked him, or that the baby was even his!" I told her that's no excuse for beating someone up or risking harm to an innocent baby; and that if your girlfriend is so terrible, you leave her, not beat the shit out of her. But when people think like that, it's very hard to argue them out of it.

I don't think she was a conspiracy theorist though, just an argumentative twat who'd rather eat dog shit than agree with anybody about anything (and her buying into harmful myths about domestic violence shows she's the very type of sheep she's sneering at).
 
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Mr Retro said:
This is simply untrue. Until we decided to copy China the advise was masks don't work:
  • World Health Organisation: ‘There is currently no evidence that wearing a mask (whether medical or other types) by healthy persons in the wider community setting, including universal community masking, can protect them from infection with respiratory viruses, including Covid-19.’
  • Mike Ryan a director at WHO: ‘There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit. In fact, there’s some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly.’
  • Chris Whitty: ‘In terms of wearing a mask, our advice is clear: that wearing a mask if you don’t have an infection reduces the risk almost not at all . So we do not advise that.’
The only gold standard RCT Danmask-19 concluded since these quotes found outcomes between those wearing masks and those not was ‘not statistically significant’. So you can keep insisting masks work and I can keep saying they don't but to say the argument they work is won is simply wrong.
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Got it. Everybody just needs to know with 100% certainty if they have an infection or not, then the ones that know with certainty that they are not infected don’t need to wear a mask. Sounds easy.
 
Mr Retro said:
This is simply untrue. Until we decided to copy China the advise was masks don't work:
  • World Health Organisation: ‘There is currently no evidence that wearing a mask (whether medical or other types) by healthy persons in the wider community setting, including universal community masking, can protect them from infection with respiratory viruses, including Covid-19.’
  • Mike Ryan a director at WHO: ‘There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit. In fact, there’s some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly.’
  • Chris Whitty: ‘In terms of wearing a mask, our advice is clear: that wearing a mask if you don’t have an infection reduces the risk almost not at all . So we do not advise that.’
The only gold standard RCT Danmask-19 concluded since these quotes found outcomes between those wearing masks and those not was ‘not statistically significant’. So you can keep insisting masks work and I can keep saying they don't but to say the argument they work is won is simply wrong.
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What dates / months were these statements made. I should image the advice and science has evolved since then.

The science on ACE inhibitors has changed repeated since COVID started from beneficial to detrimental and now beneficial to a certain extent.
 
Storm Fox said:
What dates / months were these statements made. I should image the advice and science has evolved since then.

The science on ACE inhibitors has changed repeated since COVID started from beneficial to detrimental and now beneficial to a certain extent.
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The advice has, but the science sure hasn't
 
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